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Old 11-19-2007, 09:52 AM
JamesAt15 JamesAt15 is offline
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Default .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

Party Poker 0.15/0.30 Hold'em (9 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB is 26.2/8.4/1.0 over 213 hands.

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB checks.

(The table has been pretty passive in my short time here, so I took I chance I could get in without being raised.)

Flop: (2.46 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (2.23 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

River: (10.23 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14.23 BB
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:20 AM
Mitke Mitke is offline
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Default Re: .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

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Preflop:
With a small pocket pair you want either a lot of company or very little company. Openlimping from MP2 isn't likely to result in either. Generally either fold or raise.
However, If the table has been loose and passive there of course is a chance that you get lot of callers still from behind.

Flop:
I raise. Maybe he has an Ace but for the vast majority of times he doesn't. I wouldn't mind if Villain folds his most probably two overcards on the flop. Protection and value are my motivation to raise. I even could find an easy fold to 3-bet as villain isn't too aggro.

Turn and river play themselves after you get very lucky.
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:26 AM
LukeSLTS LukeSLTS is offline
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Default Re: .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

Come in for a raise preflop if you want to play 44. I don't mind calling on the flop to see if the villain slows down. After you hit the only way to play is keep raising.
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:33 AM
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Default Re: .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

Preflop is raise (if the table is right) or fold (most of the time). Limping is clearly an error.

I fold the flop. Tiny pot, reverse implied odds.

The rest of the hand is fine, obviously. If villain had 3-bet the river, I would just call.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

When opening from that position, it's raise or fold. In this case, fold. 44 is too weak.

As played, I like it.
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:47 PM
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Default Re: .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

I'd fold this guy preflop. Raise it if the table's especially tight.

I can probably find a fold on the flop in such a small pot. Maybe continue if I know villain likes to bluff in small pots? Dunno...

Turn and river look great. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:30 PM
Dankenstein Dankenstein is offline
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Default Re: .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

:G:
If the table is loose passive I think limping here is ok to induce callers. You missed out but whatever.
I never call the flop. It's either a fold or a raise if I think BB is the type of player to donk this flop with air.. More often than not though I'm giving it up. the pot is sooo small and not worth chasing 2 outs for.
Turn cap seems fine.
River raise seems fine.
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:31 AM
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Default Re: .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

[ QUOTE ]
:G:
If the table is loose passive I think limping here is ok to induce callers. You missed out but whatever.
I never call the flop. It's either a fold or a raise if I think BB is the type of player to donk this flop with air.. More often than not though I'm giving it up. the pot is sooo small and not worth chasing 2 outs for.
Turn cap seems fine.
River raise seems fine.

[/ QUOTE ]

The hero is 4th to act and the first three players have folded so he would need all five remaining player to come in after him to make limping correct here.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:41 AM
KaatzMeow KaatzMeow is offline
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Default Re: .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

Grunch:

Preflop: If table is passive and you have a good chance to limp without being raised okay but many times I would open raise here.

Flop: I raise/fold here.

Turn: Made your FH but a likely A has us crushed with 2nd FH. I call BB reraise.

River: I just call down.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: .15/.30 - low pair versus two aces on flop

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Flop: I raise/fold here.


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meow, how high is your flop AF? i think you raise/fold on flops way too often. raise/folding is a very exploitable line. you will tend to make the least when ahead, lose bluff value, and fold winners.
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