What is the standard here?

stokken · #1 09-22-2007, 06:03 PM

A standard overcall or fold?

Full Tilt Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9

, 9

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MP raises, CO calls, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, 1 fold[/i], MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 9

, Q

, T

(5 players)
SB bets, MP folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) 8

4 players)
SB bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (12.20 BB) 3

4 players)
SB bets, CO calls, Hero ?.

rzk · #2 09-22-2007, 07:05 PM

3-bet pf for value and isolation.
as played, easy call on the river expecting to see two-pair type hands at least 1 in 12 times.

Robin Foolz · #3 09-23-2007, 02:55 AM

i just don't see how anyone can fold this for only one bet closing the action. lots of pair and 2 pair combos out there, and there haven't been any raises indicating a str8. of course, there prolly is a str8 out there, but u gotta overcall this.

Leader · #4 09-23-2007, 03:17 AM

pf is bad. You got to 3-bet there. Value/limit the field ect. Some reads would be useful here. CO CC'ed first in though so he probably sucks. I wouldn't be too worried about him. Seems like mostly pairs/2p. Maybe 88 or A8/K8 of clubs.

You're not good too much here but you are getting 14 to 1 and AQ/KQ/AA/KK isn't impossible for SB. Plus a lot of J's don't 3-bet pf. With no read, I'll call. Not easily though. Spot sucks TBH.

Leader · #5 09-23-2007, 03:19 AM

Also guys SB doesn't have two pair much. First he 3-bet pf and then he didn't 3-bet the flop.

rzk · #6 09-23-2007, 03:29 AM

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Also guys SB doesn't have two pair much. First he 3-bet pf and then he didn't 3-bet the flop.

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agreed. the other guy very likely has a two-pair though. i guess SB most likely has AJ or JJ but he's an unknown - who knows what he does.

edit: actually, co's hand doesn't quite look like two-pair either unless he's loose and very passive or tricky. could easily be TP or slowplayed J.

edit^2: darn, you beat me to it with your next post. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Leader · #7 09-23-2007, 03:37 AM

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Also guys SB doesn't have two pair much. First he 3-bet pf and then he didn't 3-bet the flop.

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agreed. the other guy very likely has a two-pair though. i guess SB most likely has AJ or JJ but he's an unknown - who knows what he does.

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Actually I don't think he has 2p much either. Could be a flop slow play of course. More likely he has a pair and is a donk just blind calling down regardless of the board.

stokken · #8 09-23-2007, 03:54 AM

Ya should describe table abit, but feel that such descriptions lead to some well funky replies. As a general is more what I was after. I am unsure sometimes how to play these hands, but the decission was a planned one, and not because I`m afraid to raise a mid pp. I would certainly raise if I was either of the blinds. Since the stakes play to river alot I feel that I can call this and bring in the blinds playing the hand for multiway value. I will never get this hu with a raise here. I might loose the blinds and get some dead money, but feel mixing this-not for deception but for a possible multiway action( ie playing for set or strong draw) with position compensates for the lack of 3betting pf?

You feel this reasoning is a poor way to go about such a hand every now and then?

Stokken

Leader · #9 09-23-2007, 04:44 AM

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You feel this reasoning is a poor way to go about such a hand every now and then?

Stokken

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Yeah pretty much. It's not bad reasoning if you had 77 or 66, but 99 makes more then just sets. You're going to see a lot of flops of cards below 8 or with one over, both are generally good flops for 99. Limiting the field and taking the initiative will let you win more pots UI. Gaining a few bets when the people behind you call and you hit a set isn't worth losing a few pots when you could have pushed them out.