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#21
11-20-2007, 03:38 PM
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Re: Flopped trips
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[ QUOTE ] Protect from what? [/ QUOTE ] I thought I made it clear that imo our only concern is someone holding two hearts? [/ QUOTE ] Will they fold to a turn raise? 
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#22
11-20-2007, 03:40 PM
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Re: Flopped trips
you guys are really paranoid about flush draws on this forum [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#23
11-20-2007, 03:48 PM
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Re: Flopped trips
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Will they fold to a turn raise? [/ QUOTE ] I dont really care what they do. Protecting our hand is not about that. It's about either making them fold correctly in which case we win, or make a -EV call in which case we also win since -EV for them means +EV for someone else (preferably us). It's a zero-sum game.
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#24
11-20-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: Flopped trips
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[ QUOTE ] Will they fold to a turn raise? [/ QUOTE ] I dont really care what they do. Protecting our hand is not about that. It's about either making them fold correctly in which case we win, or make a -EV call in which case we also win since -EV for them means +EV for someone else (preferably us). It's a zero-sum game. [/ QUOTE ] Why if there is a flush draw on the flop must someone have the draw? It's 3-handed, and people will call a bet on that flop with a lot more than an FD. There's a really good chance that when you raise the turn you'll blow out a hand that you wouldn't have minded calling. You should still raise if the situation arises, but it's more about value than protection. With all that said, raise the flop. You can't be sure that BB will bet again.
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#26
11-20-2007, 04:45 PM
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Re: Flopped trips
Lots of people are advocating raising for value on the flop. Anyone care to estimate how much more value we get out of raising as opposed to calling?
If raising reduce the amount of callers to half in comparison to the number that'd only call 1 bet, then calling and raising has the same expected value. Only difference is our risk/reward ratio.
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#27
11-20-2007, 07:05 PM
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Re: Flopped trips
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Lots of people are advocating raising for value on the flop. Anyone care to estimate how much more value we get out of raising as opposed to calling? If raising reduce the amount of callers to half in comparison to the number that'd only call 1 bet, then calling and raising has the same expected value. Only difference is our risk/reward ratio. [/ QUOTE ] If you're trying get a mathematical proof that calling is better than raising, you're going to be disappointed. There are too many variables to track. For example, calling allows a hand like A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x/K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x/Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x and on to peel one off on the flop with an overcard (or two) and a backdoor flush draw. If you raise now, you shut out the backdoor flush draw (or make that hand pay far too much to peel one off). You also have to wonder whether raising now will give you action now against a hand like 99/88/7x that might slow down if an AKQJT falls on the turn. I stand by my initial assessment, which is that raising now is probably best, but slowplaying here isn't a disaster. And a lot hinges on whether you think BB is going to be betting the turn.
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#28
11-20-2007, 07:53 PM
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Re: Flopped trips
I think that the problem here was that 3 players were posters, so they haven't choose their hands = less inclined to play them. Maybe with 3 PF callers your raise could had found more call on the flop so I'm for the raise in this spot.
(Sorry for the bad english.. both poker and grammatical advises are welcome)
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#29
11-20-2007, 11:35 PM
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Re: Flopped trips
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[ QUOTE ] This raise would be for value... charge them early! and if BB 3-bets, I would choose to cap the flop. Raise again if the turn card is not a heart, and if BB bets out on the turn again. [/ QUOTE ] Don't cap the flop. Call a 3-bet and raise the turn. [/ QUOTE ] QFT
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#30
11-21-2007, 12:18 AM
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Re: Flopped trips
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[ QUOTE ] This raise would be for value... charge them early! and if BB 3-bets, I would choose to cap the flop. Raise again if the turn card is not a heart, and if BB bets out on the turn again. [/ QUOTE ] Don't cap the flop. Call a 3-bet and raise the turn. [/ QUOTE ] What happens if a heart falls on the turn? Would raising BB's turn donk be good if there are still players to act behind me? If a flush has hit, I might be faced with a re-raise, and definitely have to see the river and hopefully make a boat.
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