$3r, some laydowns

owler · #1 03-25-2007, 06:53 AM

curious 3r i plyed yesterday, got some hands but dont know if i was lucky, so to say.

It began with this AKs, the way he played i thought at best i was 45-55 underdog.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t25180)
UTG+1 (t4225)
MP1 (t24065)
Hero (t5630)
MP3 (t10995)
CO (t11675)
Button (t30390)
SB (t4400)
BB (t9750)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t150, 2 folds, Hero raises to t600, 5 folds, UTG raises to t11400, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t12225

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This hand, i wonder if i raised to little preflop, though i was in position and with KK, maybe i should've raised to 2000, this way i would give them only 1.6-1odds, oposed to the 2-1 i gave with the 1200 raise, though i was in position and KK its a very strong hand, but dunno, like to hear some opinions.
Post-flop was an easy lay down,i think, the first allin didnt rly worry me but the insta-call did.

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MP2 (t26080)
MP3 (t4000)
CO (t21590)
Hero (t5030)
SB (t10845)
BB (t11750)
UTG (t31965)
UTG+1 (t5525)
MP1 (t9525)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t300, 1 fold, MP3 calls t300, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, 2 folds, MP1 calls t900, MP3 calls t900.

Flop: (t3825) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets t8325 (All-In), MP3 calls t2800 (All-In), Hero folds.

Turn: (t14950) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t14950) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t14950

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Didnt have any read on raiser in this hand, but for some reason i thought AQ wasnt good enough, perhaps i shouldve called and seen a flop?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t30880)
Button (t8525)
SB (t19990)
Hero (t3830)
UTG (t13465)
UTG+1 (t10400)
MP1 (t39235)
MP2 (t6425)
MP3 (t5725)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t800, 5 folds, SB calls t700, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1800) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets t1200, SB raises to t19190, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: t22190

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Again,no reads on villain, and with all that callers, i thought my AQ again wasnt that good, prolly lots of aces out there.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 (t30880)
CO (t8525)
Button (t22190)
Hero (t3630)
BB (t13465)
UTG (t8400)
UTG+1 (t39235)
MP1 (t6425)
MP2 (t5725)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t1000, 2 folds, CO calls t1000, Button calls t1000, 2 folds.

Flop: (t3300) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets t1800, Button folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t5100

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Finnaly, after my 3rd AQ in a row, this situation i thought it showed more weakness, so i thought this was the best time to push.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t30880)
MP3 (t10825)
CO (t21190)
Hero (t3530)
SB (t13265)
BB (t8400)
UTG (t39235)
UTG+1 (t5425)
MP1 (t5725)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t400, 3 folds, MP3 calls t400, CO calls t400, Hero raises to t3530, 2 folds, UTG calls t3130, MP3 folds, CO calls t3130.

Flop: (t11290) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets t3000, CO folds.

Turn: (t14290) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t14290) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t14290

This is all, would like to hear some thoughts about the laydowns i made and the final push, was this to weak tight or what?

TheBlueMonster · #2 03-25-2007, 09:13 AM

way too weak. Not pushing the AQ to an 800 raise, laying down the KK to an all in and shortstack call. Just weak man.

owler · #3 03-25-2007, 10:32 AM

the AQ with the 800 raise, yeah i kind of agree, i didnt have much of a stack, i should've risk it there.

Now, about the KK hand id like to hear more opinions, since, with what kind of hands these players usually min raise, call a min-raise,and call re-raise?

and with a flop like that, flat insta-call a shove? if it was 99, he would prolly spend a bit of time figuring the odds.

the initial raiser,i put him in some kind of draw, perhaps 99,QJ, or top pair like AT,KT ,set was out of the question, so i knew i was ahead.

Now the caller, i used almost my time bank figuring what the caller had, AK,AQ,AJ,KQ was out of the question, QQ,JJ, prolly would re-raise preflop, so what i had left was 77-TT or AA and to less extent,KK but i had that already so it was almost null chance.I doubt he would call, less insta-call with 66 or less to the shove, so what had i hopes to beat here? But at these stakes, you never know.

I would like to hear more opinions.

miw210 · #4 03-25-2007, 10:40 AM

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Now, about the KK hand id like to hear more opinions, since, with what kind of hands these players usually min raise, call a min-raise,and call re-raise?

and with a flop like that, flat insta-call a shove? if it was 99, he would prolly spend a bit of time figuring the odds.

the initial raiser,i put him in some kind of draw, perhaps 99,QJ, or top pair like AT,KT ,set was out of the question, so i knew i was ahead.

Now the caller, i used almost my time bank figuring what the caller had, AK,AQ,AJ,KQ was out of the question, QQ,JJ, prolly would re-raise preflop, so what i had left was 77-TT or AA and to less extent,KK but i had that already so it was almost null chance.I doubt he would call, less insta-call with 66 or less to the shove, so what had i hopes to beat here? But at these stakes, you never know.

I would like to hear more opinions.

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Folding KK there is undoubtedly a huge mistake.

Remember that this is a $3 rebuy.

owler · #5 03-25-2007, 10:45 AM

ok, its a mistake.

Now plz tell me why it is, id like to hear some reasoning besides only hearing its a mistake. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

holdemft · #6 03-25-2007, 10:57 AM

Weak play in any tournament, but esp. a 3R. Ranges go down in rebuys, ppl are not just betting/raising and pushing with Top 5% of hands.

1.AKs is a great hand to move with here. Top pairs AA-QQ probably flatcall or R/R a smaller amount to encourage action. You could be 50/50, or you could be dominating a weaker A or suited paint. Call

2. This flop has great texture for KK, I think 80% of the time, Villain has two overs or JJ/QQ. If its TT so be it, but folding KK to this board is really weak.

3,4 - Call and see flops with both hands.

5 - The push was correct.

Sherman · #7 03-25-2007, 11:03 AM

I don't fold hand 1, 2, or 3. I'd shove PF on the 3rd one.

I could see a fold on the 4th one given your stack size and the two callers you have zero FE.

Good job on the 5th one.

BTW - It looks to me like one reason you were relatively short stacked is b/c you just let people run you over by folding your big hands. You are gonna have to get in there are gamble some time.

owler · #8 03-25-2007, 11:12 AM

ok i see. ty for inputs.

About the KK hand, i didnt see anyone pointing the fact there was an insta-caller to a push, but anyway, not it doesnt rly matter but, pusher had JTs and caller 77.

Maybe i give too much credit to ppl, dunno.

TCA · #9 03-25-2007, 01:39 PM

I would possibly fold hand 1 but not in a $3r.

No way Im folding any of the others - hand 2 realise that the pusher has way more chips than the caller, therefore easy call.

5 looks good.

3,4 I would be in the pot.

TwistedEcho · #10 03-25-2007, 03:51 PM

Wow this is scary weak.

Hand one you should call, its the 3r people are retarded. AK too good to fold here esp since you don't have tons of chips.

Hand two call callcalcalclalcalclalcalcal. DUDE YOU HAVE KK!

Hand three/four i actually don't really mind folding to the first raiser, since 4bb/5bb raises mean we have no FE and often AQ isn't that far ahead of 4bb raises, BUT this is the 3r so people play even more crap hands and the coldcallers will barely ever have you beat. With the overlay the coldcallers give you, i shove both these.

Hand five is the only one i like how you played.