50NL Boat to Quads....how do I get more value?

[gman339]

How do I get more value out of hand like this? Should I have just gone ahead and led on the flop? Was the min check raise too obvious? Should I have led the turn?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players

http://www.legopoker.com/hh



UTG+1: $36.85

MP1: $28.40

MP2: $40.55

CO: $50

BTN: $30.85

SB: $55.65

Hero (BB): $65.75

UTG: $22.05



Pre-Flop: 6h 6c dealt to Hero (BB)

3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB folds, Hero checks



Flop: ($2.25) 4d 6d 4h (4 Players)

Hero checks, MP2 bets $1, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN calls $1



Turn: ($8.25) 6s (2 Players)

Hero checks, BTN checks



River: ($8.25) Ah (2 Players)

Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50



Results: $15.25 Pot ($0.75 Rake)

BTN mucked Td Tc (two pair, Tens and Sixes) and LOST (-$6 NET)

Hero showed 6h 6c (four of a kind, Sixes) and WON $14.50 (+$8.50 NET)

[Chargers In 07]

Bet flop instead of repping massive strength by check/minraising? Rest of the hand is fine, I'm surprised he called the river.

[gman339]

My thought was that any diamond draw or draws would put me on trips...stick around for the min reraise...and pay me off if they got there thinking they were ahead.

[Chargers In 07]

I don't know how your opponents think but this is how it would be for me.

"I think I'll make a small bet to juice the pot if I hit", "oh noes he be c/r'ing me maybe I shouldn't be calling since the board is paired and I can lose alot if I hit my hand".

If you lead my thinking isn't that way because you're not repping hands that I don't want to be against, you're repping a 6, 4, or draw and there are more combos of sixes and draws than fours.

To me once you c/r into a field you're just giving away your hand and it's difficult to get value if people know what type of hand you have.

[Panthro]

It's a limped pot, just pot every street.

Also, don't show results.

[ActionStan]

Bet, bet, bet, bet, bet. The way you get value is by value betting when your opponent has a hand. Sometimes they don't have a hand and you get nothing. But you were never going to get anything in that case. In this case, your opponent had a hand. Don't worry so much about getting an extra bet on the end if he happens to make something.

[Albert Moulton]

I hate the c/min-raise line with sets. c/min-raise + some other big action post flop is usually an alarm bell for the preflop raiser with an overpair.

Lead the flop for 3/4 pot. You might do this with 55,77-TT, for example, and you will often get JJ-AA to raise. I think leading as the default play, and only occasionally c/r'ing or even c/c'ing to mix things up is probably better for playing your sets OOP like this vs fairly tight preflop raisers who are likely to have a big pair.

I also think a 1/2 pot bet on the turn might be better than c/c or c/r.

As played, bet more on the river. Villain might actually call a 3/4 pot bet with AK (2-pair with ace kicker). So, at least bet 3/4 pot. Make it about $13.

[BlueBear]

Just lead this on every street. The bets do not have to be too large.