Lots of outs OOP

registrar · #1 09-20-2007, 06:12 PM

$5 single addon. I've been chipping up gradually by opening 2x from any position, taking the blinds, or making the best hand. Anyone who wants to question the 2x tactic given stacks and lack of antes, please feel free. I'm trying it out. I've shown nothing down and I've been way the most aggressive at the table but no one has seemed willing to take a stand.

I was a bit lost on the flop. I was going to crai but I was surprised that the first guy instabet so much and that the second instacalled.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $300/$600
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $10088.92
Hero: $38959.45
UTG+2: $9760.22
MP1: $6091.06
MP2: $11502.10
MP3: $12128.00
CO: $7209.66
Button: $14490.00
SB: $7407.90
BB: $6306.90

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1200, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $1200 (pot was $2100), MP2 calls $1200 (pot was $3300), 5 folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4500, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2000, MP2 calls $2000 (pot was $6500), Hero calls $2000 (pot was $8500).

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($10500, 3 players)
Hero?

ssnyc · #2 09-20-2007, 07:11 PM

registar...is my math right...he has about 2800 back? I doubt he will fold so I would just check...if he shoves I call...if not I take the free card and may open shove whether I hit or not..dunno if that's the best line...

mflip · #3 09-20-2007, 08:46 PM

I don't think you have ever have less than 30% equity even if you get it in 3 ways. If MP2 shoves, you are getting 2.2:1 which is 31% equity. I think MP1 will shove here a lot and it gives a chance for MP2 to come along as well as I don't think you get both of them if you open shove turn. If you end up taking a free card it isn't the worst thing either. So I'm going with check/call shoves.

erc007 · #4 09-21-2007, 04:13 AM

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$5 single addon. I've been chipping up gradually by opening 2x from any position, taking the blinds, or making the best hand. Anyone who wants to question the 2x tactic given stacks and lack of antes, please feel free. I'm trying it out. I've shown nothing down and I've been way the most aggressive at the table but no one has seemed willing to take a stand.

I was a bit lost on the flop. I was going to crai but I was surprised that the first guy instabet so much and that the second instacalled.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $300/$600
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $10088.92
Hero: $38959.45
UTG+2: $9760.22
MP1: $6091.06
MP2: $11502.10
MP3: $12128.00
CO: $7209.66
Button: $14490.00
SB: $7407.90
BB: $6306.90

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1200, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $1200 (pot was $2100), MP2 calls $1200 (pot was $3300), 5 folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4500, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2000, MP2 calls $2000 (pot was $6500), Hero calls $2000 (pot was $8500).

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($10500, 3 players)
Hero?

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I don't think that leading this flop into 2 callers is good and after MP1 bets, you have no FE to c/r AI. After MP2 calls, you prob have to discount 2 of your str8 outs.

On the turn, i'd just check b/c MP1 only has ~3K left, so if he shoves and MP2 just calls, you can overcall getting great odds with 13 outs. You would be even be getting the right odds to call if they both shoved, although i can't see MP2 doing this after just calling on a flop of that texture.

registrar · #5 09-21-2007, 04:56 AM

Obviously CRAI is not getting MP1 to fold on the flop but it's quite cool if MP2 folds, no?

erc007 · #6 09-21-2007, 02:36 PM

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Obviously CRAI is not getting MP1 to fold on the flop but it's quite cool if MP2 folds, no?

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It improves your showdown equity to have MP2 out, but in my expereince, most players won't ever fold a FD on the flop, and after he calls MP1's lead, FD is a big part of his range. The combo of MP1's lead and MP2's call really reduces/eliminates your FE IMO.