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Old 11-04-2007, 12:50 PM
evagaba evagaba is offline
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Default 50NL - Flop overpair and lead into - call or raise?

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This is a pretty common situation. I would like to make sure I am playing it right. A little table history. There was a 77/15/1 maniac at the table for about an hour that everyone was trying to stack. He did get stacked (not by villian) and left. The table action then came to a crawl.

This is about 2 orbits after the maniac left.

Villian is 21/21/2 over 40 hands. He doubled up when he had KK and a nit overplayed AK on a dry flop.

I am pretty sure this is a WA / WB situation.

Hero (BTN): $52.05
SB: $51.25
BB: $50
UTG: $100.05
MP: $51.20
CO: $22.25

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $3

Flop: ($10.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $6</font>, Hero ?
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:55 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: 50NL - Flop overpair and lead into - call or raise?

More preflop. I'm probably making it 18 on the flop and calling a push.

Calling and pushing a non club turn is probably fine as well.

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I am pretty sure this is a WA / WB situation.


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It's not, because wa/wb means way ahead/way behind.
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:59 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - Flop overpair and lead into - call or raise?

I know what WA / WB means. I am putting Villian on AK, AQ, JJ+. I don't see him doing this with 88-, but I can see a c-bet with AK-AQ.
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:08 PM
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I know what WA / WB means. I am putting Villian on AK, AQ, JJ+. I don't see him doing this with 88-, but I can see a c-bet with AK-AQ.

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It's not really even wa/wb vs AK/AQ. And why couldn't he have a fd?
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:12 PM
YesMehFriend YesMehFriend is offline
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Default Re: 50NL - Flop overpair and lead into - call or raise?

Hm I don't get it why we want to get ai here. VPIP 21 raised from UTG that should indicate a somewhat tight range. Sure it's unusual that he doesn't go for a c/r with a decent hand. But I don't see him push a hand we beat or call a push plus the board texture might make him think we won't c-bet always.
I would have voted for calling the flop and reevaluating the turn. Since I'd doubt he'd double barrel AQ etc. ...
(And I'd reraise slightly more pre ~6)
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