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#12
09-29-2007, 12:21 PM
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Re: NL1000 flopped flush
shove, not close, and he's not folding either.
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#14
09-29-2007, 12:51 PM
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Re: NL1000 flopped flush
Disagree, if he has a queen high flush, queen ten/9? Then you are still going to get action especially if you check or bet small then check.
If I was playing this I would realise it to 600 (maybe), I would say he would call that at least 40/65 % of the time especially if he has a made flush as well, then he is getting close to being pot committed, you throw in a check from your side and he is going to feel decent. Right? You shove he is going to say to himself man I have "trips" or a queen/ 9 flush made on the flop and this guy has the nuts.. You have to string him a long a bit, it depends allot on previous action and how fast the game is going, you should know the move yourself, I take it you shoved and he folded well there you go, if you have the nuts what about giving the guy a chance to hang him self as well, he might go all in if you check the turn or check the flop, I like were your sitting your not afraid of any draw outs 0.005 percent or what ever for quads. Sorry disagree. Shove is bad poker but I am a new player and I want to learn. I know you don’t shove the nuts with three suited cards down, its kind of bad play no? Shoving acts as a deterrent just as much as it acts as a money making move. I am here to learn can some one explain to me why shoving is a good idea here or even why it is correctly a bad move. Bookmarking this. Bud
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#15
09-29-2007, 01:07 PM
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Re: NL1000 flopped flush
[ QUOTE ]
Disagree, if he has a queen high flush, queen ten/9? Then you are still going to get action especially if you check or bet small then check. If I was playing this I would realise it to 600 (maybe), I would say he would call that at least 40/65 % of the time especially if he has a made flush as well, then he is getting close to being pot committed, you throw in a check from your side and he is going to feel decent. Right? You shove he is going to say to himself man I have "trips" or a queen/ 9 flush made on the flop and this guy has the nuts.. You have to string him a long a bit, it depends allot on previous action and how fast the game is going, you should know the move yourself, I take it you shoved and he folded well there you go, if you have the nuts what about giving the guy a chance to hang him self as well, he might go all in if you check the turn or check the flop, I like were your sitting your not afraid of any draw outs 0.005 percent or what ever for quads. Sorry disagree. Shove is bad poker but I am a new player and I want to learn. I know you don’t shove the nuts with three suited cards down, its kind of bad play no? Shoving acts as a deterrent just as much as it acts as a money making move. I am here to learn can some one explain to me why shoving is a good idea here or even why it is correctly a bad move. Bookmarking this. Bud [/ QUOTE ] A. 100BB stacks B. 5/10NL C. Aggro players D. Nobody folds sets/flushes ever here E. Hero would probably play the same with bare Ac here
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#16
09-29-2007, 01:29 PM
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Re: NL1000 flopped flush
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Disagree, if he has a queen high flush, queen ten/9? Then you are still going to get action especially if you check or bet small then check. If I was playing this I would realise it to 600 (maybe), I would say he would call that at least 40/65 % of the time especially if he has a made flush as well, then he is getting close to being pot committed, you throw in a check from your side and he is going to feel decent. Right? You shove he is going to say to himself man I have "trips" or a queen/ 9 flush made on the flop and this guy has the nuts.. You have to string him a long a bit, it depends allot on previous action and how fast the game is going, you should know the move yourself, I take it you shoved and he folded well there you go, if you have the nuts what about giving the guy a chance to hang him self as well, he might go all in if you check the turn or check the flop, I like were your sitting your not afraid of any draw outs 0.005 percent or what ever for quads. Sorry disagree. Shove is bad poker but I am a new player and I want to learn. I know you don’t shove the nuts with three suited cards down, its kind of bad play no? Shoving acts as a deterrent just as much as it acts as a money making move. I am here to learn can some one explain to me why shoving is a good idea here or even why it is correctly a bad move. Bookmarking this. Bud [/ QUOTE ] A. 100BB stacks B. 5/10NL C. Aggro players D. Nobody folds sets/flushes ever here E. Hero would probably play the same with bare Ac here [/ QUOTE ] lol this is basically it...i think the line you are recommending is perhaps more scary...i can really see it not mattering alot either way, but i think sets pay you more often with a shove than with a call or this raise and bets on ensuing streets...
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#17
09-29-2007, 03:16 PM
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Re: NL1000 flopped flush
[ QUOTE ]
Disagree, if he has a queen high flush, queen ten/9? Then you are still going to get action especially if you check or bet small then check. If I was playing this I would realise it to 600 (maybe), I would say he would call that at least 40/65 % of the time especially if he has a made flush as well, then he is getting close to being pot committed, you throw in a check from your side and he is going to feel decent. Right? You shove he is going to say to himself man I have "trips" or a queen/ 9 flush made on the flop and this guy has the nuts.. You have to string him a long a bit, it depends allot on previous action and how fast the game is going, you should know the move yourself, I take it you shoved and he folded well there you go, if you have the nuts what about giving the guy a chance to hang him self as well, he might go all in if you check the turn or check the flop, I like were your sitting your not afraid of any draw outs 0.005 percent or what ever for quads. Sorry disagree. Shove is bad poker but I am a new player and I want to learn. I know you don’t shove the nuts with three suited cards down, its kind of bad play no? Shoving acts as a deterrent just as much as it acts as a money making move. I am here to learn can some one explain to me why shoving is a good idea here or even why it is correctly a bad move. Bookmarking this. Bud [/ QUOTE ] If we *know* he has a flush, then clearly we should shove. Calling only lets another club roll off and potentially kills our action against any flopped flush, not to mention sets.
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