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Old 09-12-2007, 10:36 PM
Sledgejammer Sledgejammer is offline
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Default TPTK, am I missing value here?

Villains line confused me so much here I just called, am I loseing value here or does a raise only get called by a better hand? Does Villain sometimes have a fishy played monster, or should I be jamming it in on the river? Also, the turn, should I be raising here also?

My thinking here is anything from air to a slow played flopped set to a flush draw (I often see them bet this way, usually followed by a much larger river bet, though), to ace-ten which then made aces up...

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $21.32
BB: $33.54
UTG: $27.17
CO: $27.80
Hero (BTN): $26.29

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, SB calls $3.90, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, SB calls $3.25

Turn: ($17.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1.25</font>, Hero calls $1.25

River: ($19.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75

Pot Size: $21.25 ($1.06 Rake)
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:39 PM
mookboi mookboi is offline
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Default Re: TPTK, am I missing value here?

I don't like the flop raise. Either make it like $7+, or call it. It kinda screams "I'm going for the B3B line," even though he didn't.

Raise turn.
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:42 PM
faarcyde faarcyde is offline
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Default Re: TPTK, am I missing value here?

Yes, if you are going to bluff raise the flop you have to follow up when you hit. It is pretty obvious he is blocking the turn because he is scared of the ace.
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:45 PM
Sledgejammer Sledgejammer is offline
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Default Re: TPTK, am I missing value here?

I thought so, I planned to raise any bet on the river (Felt this was the best way to extract value as he wasn't calling a turn raise unless I was beat but was betting the river more often than not, possibly calling a VB if not), but his 75c bet just confused me.

Looking back over it, I can see how utterly horribly the hand was played, I was just wondering if villain ever takes this hand with something that has me crushed.
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:49 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, am I missing value here?

Always raise the turn there, the bet just says "I have a draw, please let me draw for cheap"
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:55 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, am I missing value here?

All you can eat baby
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:00 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, am I missing value here?

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I don't like the flop raise. Either make it like $7+, or call it. It kinda screams "I'm going for the B3B line," even though he didn't.

Raise turn.

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Old 09-12-2007, 11:02 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, am I missing value here?

Raise more on flop, raise turn
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, am I missing value here?

Mmm I think mookboi has it down pretty well there

What does everyone think about the river as played though? Obviously that kind of bet doesn't often indicate a strong hand, but loads of draws just got there and he's unlikely to call a big bet with a lower pair (unless, possibly, he just cold-called KK or QQ pre-flop and can't let go of it.) Maybe raise it to 1/2 pot?
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:25 PM
deadmanspoker deadmanspoker is offline
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Default Re: TPTK, am I missing value here?

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I don't like the flop raise. Either make it like $7+, or call it. It kinda screams "I'm going for the B3B line," even though he didn't.

Raise turn.

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Agreed, what card were you hoping to hit on the turn?
If it wasn't the A i don't know what you were doing there in the first place.

Raise the turn, don't be shy.

It feel like he was on a flush draw and was blocking.
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