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Old 10-15-2007, 11:57 PM
ycjason ycjason is offline
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Default 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

villian is LAG and do not like to fold, he ran 37/20/1.6 (flop/turn/river aggression is 3.4/3.75/i) over about 150 hands
I saw these two hands from him earlier, I haven't played any big pots with him, but he has folded some small pots against me, my own stats was something like 17/16/3

(villian won this one with KQ)
Poker Stars, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $1,839.40
UTG: $690.40
Hero (CO): $1,204.20
BTN: $1,828.60
SB: $634

Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $18</font>, SB folds, BB calls $12

Flop: ($39) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $30</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $60</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $120</font>, BB calls $60

Turn: ($279) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $150</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $1,701.40 and is All-In</font>, BTN calls $1,540.60 and is All-In

River: ($3,660.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $3,660.20 Pot ($2 Rake)
BB showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a straight, Nine to King) and WON $3,658.20 (+$1,829.60 NET)
BTN mucked Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and LOST (-$1,828.60 NET)



villian lost this one with 6s, opponent in this hand is also very LAGGY

Poker Stars, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $4,100.50
SB: $365.10
Hero (BB): $1,258.15
UTG: $574
CO: $351

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $22</font>, SB calls $19, Hero calls $16

Flop: ($66) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $66</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $343.10 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds, BTN calls $277.10

Turn: ($752.20) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($752.20) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $752.20 Pot ($2 Rake)
BTN mucked 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$365.10 NET)
SB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and WON $750.20 (+$385.10 NET)





Poker Stars, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $3,711.10
MP: $91.10
Hero (CO): $1,367.70
BTN: $600
SB: $637.90
BB: $352

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $6, MP calls $6, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $24, MP calls $24

Flop: ($99) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $66</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $132</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $66

Turn: ($363) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $166</font>, Hero calls $166

River: ($695) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero: ?
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:07 AM
higHstaKesOwneR higHstaKesOwneR is offline
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Default Re: 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

i 3bet to 400$ on the flop if i mincr w/ gutshot 2oc's :P
... as played hm i maybe just cb even if i will lose some value here from time to time till he likes to cr (make my thoughts any kind of sense [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] )
otherwise make it 333$...
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:11 AM
ycjason ycjason is offline
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Default Re: 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

notice we are 200+bb deep, 3 bet and call push?
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:18 AM
higHstaKesOwneR higHstaKesOwneR is offline
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Default Re: 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

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notice we are 200+bb deep, 3 bet and call push?

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ahh k sry it's late in germany ^^
but 100bb's effectiv stacks and you put it do you?
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:24 AM
ycjason ycjason is offline
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Default Re: 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

100bb I push or 3 bet big and plan to get it in for sure
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:30 AM
MatthewRyan MatthewRyan is offline
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Default Re: 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

flop call is fine, he min raised u and is offering great odds, a 3bet would be to a weird size or big overpush. turn call is good.

as for the river, just no.
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:20 AM
mrcoughman mrcoughman is offline
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Default Re: 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

Check it back baby!
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:39 AM
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Default Re: 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

OMG BET BET BET BET BET its not even close
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

check
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:29 AM
Veron Veron is offline
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Default Re: 3/6, KQ hitting top pair on river, can I value bet this?

wow, I bet this all day every day.
His line, especially on the turn looks like a weak made hand. Jx being the most likely.
You're being ahead here almost allways and villain doesn't like to fold.

I'd bet 350-400
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