Stupid scheduling on Binions & Rio IMO

[csd]

Once again the WSOP schedule makers have flubbed when it comes to scheduling the Limit Holdem & O8B tournaments just as it did last year. I won't bore you with exact dates but for example the first Limit Holdem event in the WSOP is the day before the first O8B event. This is so stupid because most of your O8B players come from your Limit Holdem player base. So all players that make it past day 1 in the Limit holdem event can't play in the O8B event at all!!!! I thought they were going to fix this problem this year???

Also I don't know who scheduled what first (I would think the Rio's WSOP schedule was made before Binion's though) but almost all of Binion's Limit HE & O8B events fall on either the starting day of a similar event at the Rio or on day 2 of a similar event at the Rio. Why would you have a $150 Limit Holdem event at Binion's (that starts @ 4pm) the day before the $1500 Limit HE event starts at the Rio at noon???? So stupid if you ask me....

In closing I have one question if anyone happens to know...

None of the Binion's tourney structure sheets say if the events are 1 or 2 day events...
The starting chips and blind structures would dictate that many of the tourney's would go longer than 1 day but it doesn't say anywhere that I can find. Does anyone have a confirmation on if the events are going to be wrapped up in 1 day???

Thanks,
CSD

[MicroBob]

[ QUOTE ]
So all players that make it past day 1 in the Limit holdem event can't play in the O8B event at all!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]


Isn't this usually 27 or fewer??
no biggie if you ask me.

[Photoc]

[ QUOTE ]

Also I don't know who scheduled what first (I would think the Rio's WSOP schedule was made before Binion's though) but almost all of Binion's Limit HE & O8B events fall on either the starting day of a similar event at the Rio or on day 2 of a similar event at the Rio. Why would you have a $150 Limit Holdem event at Binion's (that starts @ 4pm) the day before the $1500 Limit HE event starts at the Rio at noon???? So stupid if you ask me....


[/ QUOTE ]

Probably because Binions and the Rio have nothing to do with one another. Harrahs has never owned Binions. It only managed it for 6 months back in 2005 through the final table of the Main Event. Actually, the final 3 tables were the only things held from the WSOP that year at Binions. Binions is currently owned by MTR Gaming and they are trying to grab some of the tournament market by marketing to the NON 1k+ buy in players, which there will undoubtedly be tons of them in town as well. I, for one, think it's a good idea to run smaller buy ins elsewhere. Why let Harrahs just keep all the tournament business for themselves?

[SirFelixCat]

[ QUOTE ]
Does anyone have a confirmation on if the events are going to be wrapped up in 1 day???

Thanks,
CSD

[/ QUOTE ]

If this is regarding the Binion's Deep Stack ($200 buy in's etc), they will play down to the final table and day two is the final table.

HTH.

[csd]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
So all players that make it past day 1 in the Limit holdem event can't play in the O8B event at all!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]




Isn't this usually 27 or fewer??
no biggie if you ask me.

[/ QUOTE ]

No it isn't. Last year in the first $1500 buy in Limit HE tournament at the WSOP the first day ended with somewhere close to 90 players left if memory serves me right.

[csd]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Also I don't know who scheduled what first (I would think the Rio's WSOP schedule was made before Binion's though) but almost all of Binion's Limit HE & O8B events fall on either the starting day of a similar event at the Rio or on day 2 of a similar event at the Rio. Why would you have a $150 Limit Holdem event at Binion's (that starts @ 4pm) the day before the $1500 Limit HE event starts at the Rio at noon???? So stupid if you ask me....


[/ QUOTE ]

Probably because Binions and the Rio have nothing to do with one another. Harrahs has never owned Binions. It only managed it for 6 months back in 2005 through the final table of the Main Event. Actually, the final 3 tables were the only things held from the WSOP that year at Binions. Binions is currently owned by MTR Gaming and they are trying to grab some of the tournament market by marketing to the NON 1k+ buy in players, which there will undoubtedly be tons of them in town as well. I, for one, think it's a good idea to run smaller buy ins elsewhere. Why let Harrahs just keep all the tournament business for themselves?

[/ QUOTE ]

I know that Binions & the Rio don't have anything to do with each other. That wasn't my point at all. Of course having lower buy in tourneys is a great idea on Binions part BUT.....If I am scheduling Binions Limit Holdem Tournaments or O8B tournaments why would I schedule them to take place on the dates when the exact same type of tournament is running at the WSOP?? Why not schedule your Limit HE & O8B tourneys at Binions to run while Stud or No Limit events are being run at the Rio??? Wouldn't this be logical???

For example...
If you were going to play in the $1500 LHE event at the Rio that starts the day after the Binion's 1st LHE event starts would you enter Binion's??? If you made it to the final table at Binion's and the final table was played on day 1 of the event at the Rio you wouldn't be able to play in the larger buy in event at the Rio. Players that register early for the $1500 buy in Limit event at the Rio would be foolish to even enter the $150 limit event at Binion's because of this matter alone.

[Photoc]

[ QUOTE ]

For example...
If you were going to play in the $1500 LHE event at the Rio that starts the day after the Binion's 1st LHE event starts would you enter Binion's??? If you made it to the final table at Binion's and the final table was played on day 1 of the event at the Rio you wouldn't be able to play in the larger buy in event at the Rio. Players that register early for the $1500 buy in Limit event at the Rio would be foolish to even enter the $150 limit event at Binion's because of this matter alone.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're not getting it though. Binion's isn't marketing towards the players looking for 1500+ buy in events. They are marketing towards joe tourist looking to have a good time when they probably can't afford or don't want to pay these high buy-ins. They are not competing with the WSOP whatsoever. It makes no difference one way or another what day they are held on because those players hitting the WSOP will continue to do just that. They'll play the sats and "second chance" tourneys instead of driving accross town to play in some smaller buy in stuff.

[csd]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

For example...
If you were going to play in the $1500 LHE event at the Rio that starts the day after the Binion's 1st LHE event starts would you enter Binion's??? If you made it to the final table at Binion's and the final table was played on day 1 of the event at the Rio you wouldn't be able to play in the larger buy in event at the Rio. Players that register early for the $1500 buy in Limit event at the Rio would be foolish to even enter the $150 limit event at Binion's because of this matter alone.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're not getting it though. Binion's isn't marketing towards the players looking for 1500+ buy in events. They are marketing towards joe tourist looking to have a good time when they probably can't afford or don't want to pay these high buy-ins. They are not competing with the WSOP whatsoever. It makes no difference one way or another what day they are held on because those players hitting the WSOP will continue to do just that. They'll play the sats and "second chance" tourneys instead of driving accross town to play in some smaller buy in stuff.

[/ QUOTE ]


Absolutely could not disagree with you more!!!

1) Binion's is marketing to POKER PLAYERS....no matter what the cost of buyin's...You don't think a limit holdem player that plays the WSOP events would play in the Binion's $150 buy in if given the opportunity???

2) "Joe Tourist" may fall into your theory as far as the No Limit tournaments go, but how many "Joe Tourist's" play Omaha Hi-Lo??? not many that I know. Limit holdem and O8B are now considered "specialtists" in this day and time of No Limit madness.

3) Why would an Omaha Hi-Lo player or a Limit Holdem player play in the WSOP sat's & 2nd chance tourneys??? They are 99% No Limit tournaments. I know I will play all the Limit & O8B events that I (calendar wise) can when given the choice. A well structured $150-$200 buy in LHE or O8B event is much more attractive to a "specialist" than a $500 "speed" round, low stack, No Limit 2nd chance tournament is.


I would guess that with proper scheduling the Horseshoe could have increased a handful of their tournaments by 30%-40%.

Of course the WSOP scheduling some of their limit holdem tournaments and their O8B tournaments so close together is more annoying than Binions poor scheduling.

[swede554]

I've heard the Binion's tourneys will be 1-day events, and I know that the Ventetian Deep Stack series will play either to the final table or 2 AM and then conclude the following day.

[PiquetteAces]

But IMO, a 150$'buy-in , & a 1500$'buy-in isn't to attract the same customers !

So, it's irrevelant if they have the same tourny the same day, or almost the same day.

But ur right for the fact that itsn't clear if it's 1 or 2 days-event at the Binions. For exemple I will play the PLO8'event'1500$ at the WSOP which is june 25th at 5h00pm. However there is a 150$'event of PLO8 the june 24th at 2h00pm at the Binions that I might do as a "warm-up" because that game almost donot exist live ! So what happen if I make the final table of the Binions, & its the next day, & i'm sure of lets say 400$, but I am preregistered in the WSOP'one ?

- jpp