[NL50] Slowplaying vulnerable hands when nothing better calls?

Ranma4703 · #1 10-13-2007, 04:23 PM

Effective stacks are 42.60$ for main villian, 69$ for secondary villian. Both villian are donks, stack off with TPWK, etc.
Folds to me on the button, I raise to 2.25$ with red kings, sb and bb call. Flop comes out:
4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
They check around, and I check behind. Reasoning: If I bet and they call, then they probably have a flush draw, because there is only 1 king left in the deck. If the turn is a club the board, I can call a bet and then stack them if the river pairs, and get away easily if it doesn't. In addition, by checking behind I encourage them to call bets with all their crappy hands, because they will think I am bluffing.
This is the main part I want help with, because the rest of the hand was not that interesting. I'll post it after I get a couple of replies.

greggg230 · #2 10-13-2007, 04:37 PM

Bet that flop everytime - A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] X is going to get it all-in with you frequently. You pretty much have to fold to a strong bet a on a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] turn - you aren't getting the odds to try to fill up.

KEW · #3 10-13-2007, 04:44 PM

Please BET the flop...A wide range will call...You can not risk a club coming on the turn...

CruS · #4 10-13-2007, 04:49 PM

Bet/3bet/shove this flop, you have a great hand and hands like AcX, 44 and 55 and even 2pairs will stack off here.

SunyD · #5 10-13-2007, 04:53 PM

You have to bet here with top set. If you had something like a suited red AK, I could see a check on this very dangerous flop.

lusop · #6 10-13-2007, 04:57 PM

I would raise and reraise. You have seven outs for a full house on th turn and, if you fail, you'll have 10 in the river... isn't it correct?

the first raise should be hard enough to intimidate the Ac (Sorry, I don't know how to write it graphically). How much should it be?

Lego05 · #7 10-13-2007, 05:28 PM

Bet the flop....you will be called by a fairly wide wide range. Ac will almost always call, Qc will call a lot. AK can call, KQ can call, KJ might call, 54 will call, 55,44 will call, QQ and JJ might call especially if they include a club. Some of those hands may check raise you too.

You can't risk the 4th club coming down...it could beat you and even if you're still ahead after it, it will kill your action.

So bet the flop and if someone check raises you then 3bet and get it all-in.

kroeliewoelie · #8 10-13-2007, 05:30 PM

There are definitely worse hands that call, at least at 20NL.

Example:

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($21.64)
Hero ($26.12)
UTG ($6.18)
MP ($9.80)
Button ($35.67)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.8, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.2, UTG calls $2.40.

Flop: ($6.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, UTG calls $2.98 (All-In).

Turn: ($12.48) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($12.48) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $12.48

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Ac (three of a kind, aces).
UTG has 7h 7d (flush, queen high).
Outcome: UTG wins $12.46. Hero wins $0.01.

members_only · #9 10-13-2007, 07:23 PM

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Reasoning: If I bet and they call, then they probably have a flush draw, because there is only 1 king left in the deck.

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You want them to call with a flush draw

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If the turn is a club the board, I can call a bet and then stack them if the river pairs, and get away easily if it doesn't. In addition, by checking behind I encourage them to call bets with all their crappy hands, because they will think I am bluffing.

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Horrible fps

ajmargarine · #10 10-13-2007, 07:29 PM

They are weak players who stack off light and so you check top set here?

And I think $2.25 as an open PFR is too big. $1.75 or $2.