50NL - River two pair and get donked into

[wingchunflush]

sorry I read hte hand wrong. I dont consider slightly more than 1/2 the pot a donk bet, I really think raising here is bad. I would have honestly folded the flop. 1/2 pot isnt a donk bet.

[doppelganger]

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sorry I read hte hand wrong. I dont consider slightly more than 1/2 the pot a donk bet, I really think raising here is bad. I would have honestly folded the flop. 1/2 pot isnt a donk bet.

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That's definitely a point worth discussing. It is a donk bet by definition, but I agree that this is not a board we want to raise the flop on. I will raise donkbets as the PFR when I have at least some piece of the board, whether it be a pair or a good draw. Having 2 overs and a backdoor straight draw is not enough to continue and I would fold the flop here also.

As played though, I really think the pot is big enough on the turn that we need to try to take it down w/ a second barrel, which obviously is why the river is so hard to play now that we're fairly committed. I think the key mistake in this hand was raising the flop, but I think the turn is ok and the river is a thin call.

[ICMoney]

Think a set raises it up on the flop, turn for sure.

Don't think think 67o continues here with 2 FDs out.

Think 67s is the only hand you are behind here.

I would look him up here.

[ICMoney]

He is getting 3.5:1 on his flop call. Can see him calling with a lot of hands.

You will get called and the turn will blank a lot.

Kind of meh.

[Chomp]

This has the air of spew about it to me.

If I've been raising a tonne and sense I am starting to be perceived as getting out of line, I might let this one pass preflop. But of course, lol preflop, so whatever.

I agree that flop donks deserve raising, but I'd prefer something a bit better in the pocket than one over, so again I might choose to just cut my losses on the flop and let him take it - we can't and don't have to win every pot. It might also embolden our opponant to play back more from OOP, which is good.

And I check behind turn as played, call most river bets, vb if checked to.

[yegon]

I think with 67s villain would be very likely to donk/3bet on the flop rather then donk/call.

As to the donkbets raising discussion (out of the context of the play of the actual hand on later streets):
I raise donkbets regularly but I agree that this flop is not very good for this. We have air but that is not the main problem. The problem is the board is not scary enough - having air and no draw I prefer 1 or 2 broadway cards prefferrably an A on the flop for a reraise because donkbets are weak made hands like 2nd pair most of the time. I can see villain calling our raise with 66-88 because the board just does not hit many hands we would raise pf.

[bazooka87]

Pretty good discussion here, particularly about the raising donk bets which I'm now gonna have to start reviewing.

Anyway I called and he tabled 109 for top two

[yegon]

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on the hand from villain's perspective too. pf and flop seem quite bad. What about the turn? Would anyone consider c/c-ing the turn with top two on such a drawy board? I think I would bet out, trying for a c/rai seems too riskky IMO - if opponent checks behind we loose a lot of value. What do you think?