NL25 - Good call down or spew?

greggg230 · #1 10-12-2007, 12:19 AM

No real reads. Followed my gut that villain didn't have much.

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($22.70)
MP ($24.95)
CO ($24.60)
Hero ($24.90)
SB ($49.15)
BB ($7.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.75.

Turn: ($10.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero calls $8.

River: ($26.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $36.15 (All-In), Hero calls $11.90 (All-In).

Final Pot: $50.05

whyherro · #2 10-12-2007, 12:30 AM

Prolly Spew - think about his calling range preflop. The hands you are hoping for, basically AT or A9 type hands, never reraise this flop. You raised preflop, they are probably worried about their kicker. This is at a minimum 2 pair and more likely a set IMO as low PP's make up a lot of his range here.

I will say though, once you get to the river, the shove looks pretty bluffy.

greggg230 · #3 10-12-2007, 12:44 AM

I would not have called if the flop did not have two clubs in it. I figured that a club draw was a decent part of his range here. It seems like a very strange line to c/r after 3-betting pre-flop on a A high flop with 2 clubs. It looks like he was willing to let a free turn card peel off then decided to bluff-raise me. I can't imagine him doing that with AK here.

21SuicideKing21 · #4 10-12-2007, 12:53 AM

yeah its a spew call here, you generally up against 2pr or even a set. I don't mind the line taken on flop and turn, river he shows a ton of strength again and you're beat here most of the time.

greggg230 · #5 10-12-2007, 12:56 AM

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yeah its a spew call here, you generally up against 2pr or even a set. I don't mind the line taken on flop and turn, river he shows a ton of strength again and you're beat here most of the time.

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How can I fold on the river getting like 5:1? Why am I calling the turn if I'm not calling the river?

greggg230 · #6 10-12-2007, 01:02 AM

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Prolly Spew - think about his calling range preflop. The hands you are hoping for, basically AT or A9 type hands, never reraise this flop. You raised preflop, they are probably worried about their kicker. This is at a minimum 2 pair and more likely a set IMO as low PP's make up a lot of his range here.

I will say though, once you get to the river, the shove looks pretty bluffy.

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BTW, you really don't think Ax hands raise this flop?

Numfar · #7 10-12-2007, 01:05 AM

River is a fold (only getting about 3:1 I think) but you shouldn't have got there. I would fold the Flop quite a lot and fold the Turn every time.

Also, you said his line was strange because he 3 bet PF but he didn't. It would be standard for many villains to play AK this way.

Basically, a c/r on the Flop followed by a strong Turn bet is very seldom a bluff - and that's all you are beating really.

21SuicideKing21 · #8 10-12-2007, 01:08 AM

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yeah its a spew call here, you generally up against 2pr or even a set. I don't mind the line taken on flop and turn, river he shows a ton of strength again and you're beat here most of the time.

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How can I fold on the river getting like 5:1? Why am I calling the turn if I'm not calling the river?

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you're not getting 5:1. The reason why you should call turn and not call river, is that kudos to him if hes still betting a flush draw, but hes got your hand beat by his range.

21SuicideKing21 · #9 10-12-2007, 01:10 AM

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River is a fold (only getting about 3:1 I think) but you shouldn't have got there. I would fold the Flop quite a lot and fold the Turn every time.

Also, you said his line was strange because he 3 bet PF but he didn't. It would be standard for many villains to play AK this way.

Basically, a c/r on the Flop followed by a strong Turn bet is very seldom a bluff - and that's all you are beating really.

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fold the flop??? thats like burning money. You have to atleast see the turn and see what he does, I agree with OP that villain could be c/r flush draw, but you just don't fold top pair and medium kicker on that board.

KEW · #10 10-12-2007, 01:11 AM

I fold the turn..I can not see villain going wild like this with a draw or a weaker Ace then AJo...