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Old 09-25-2007, 03:28 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

fold.

his line:
cold calls pf raise
cold calls 3 bet after UTG flat called.

his range: 99,55,77,98ss
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:32 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

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fold.

his line:
cold calls pf raise
cold calls 3 bet after UTG flat called.

his range: 99,55,77,98ss

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i hope this is a joke
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

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Pretty standard fold IMO. Villain's range (set, big draw, 2pr) has you crushed

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did you not read the OP?

this is an easy shove given your read

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I read OP. Villain is a thinking LAG capable of playing back light. LIke most thinking LAGS, when the money goes in, they have a killer hand. I think villain's likely range is set>pair+draw>A hi draw>2 pair
99, 77, 55 98ss, 910ss, A10ss+, heavily weighted towards sets

Fold.

You say shove. What is villain's range and why is shove the best play?
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:44 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

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Pretty standard fold IMO. Villain's range (set, big draw, 2pr) has you crushed

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did you not read the OP?

this is an easy shove given your read

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I read OP. Villain is a thinking LAG capable of playing back light. LIke most thinking LAGS, when the money goes in, they have a killer hand. I think villain's likely range is set>pair+draw>A hi draw>2 pair
99, 77, 55 98ss, 910ss, A10ss+, heavily weighted towards sets

Fold.

You say shove. What is villain's range and why is shove the best play?

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villain folds to cbets 30% of the time, and raises them 40% of the time........ thats a ton of the time, his range includes 66 88 and draws, as well as potentially other over pairs (that he is playing poorly). it also includes hands that you are behind, but this guy is just too aggressive to fold here IMO
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:47 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

Villain's range does NOT include 66, 88, and other overpairs. He is a thinking LAG capable of playing back in small pots but when pots get big he doesnt start blindly shoving marginal pairs. Recognizing this will save/win you alot of money.

Also, this pot is 3b 3 ways, so he is NOT playing back lightly to flop bets.
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:49 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

i thought villain was hudge fish for some reason

yeah prob fold then... didn't see the thinking part in front of LAG
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

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Old 09-25-2007, 03:52 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

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Villain's range does NOT include 66, 88, and other overpairs. He is a thinking LAG capable of playing back in small pots but when pots get big he doesnt start blindly shoving marginal pairs. Recognizing this will save/win you alot of money.

Also, this pot is 3b 3 ways, so he is NOT playing back lightly to flop bets.

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he may very well think that he can put you off of hands, and 66/88 would be semi bluffs so i think they can be in his range, he may not always do this with 88/66 but in a pokerstove id put some combos in his range
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:53 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

No man. No.
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:56 AM
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Default Re: KK Deep- Villain\'s fold button appears to be broken

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No man. No.

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alright, i can see an argument for folding, and i understand what you are saying, but 9s8s, 77,55,99 is too tight
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