KK oop and an A flops

[villains_hero]

In the Mid-NL-Forum there is a nice post about the value of KK when an A flops and what to do in these spots. The main thing I remember is that a flop bet in many cases isnt useful because worse hands won't call. So, did I play this one correctly?

NL 2/4 6-handed

Villain is like 40/10/1,2, not bluffy, paying for too many showdowns (the same villain as in the other post I made in this forum).

Hero ($368) in the SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Button ( $504.91 ) opens $16, Hero raises $46, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($100)

Hero checks, BU checks

Turn 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($100)

Hero checks, BU checks

River 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($100)

Hero bets $56, BU goes All-in ($456.91), Hero folds.

[justin]

Seems stand

[WCGRider]

The problem here, is that Continuation bets on Ace high flop hold the greatest chance of a fold. I am cbetting here with whatever 2 cards i 3 bet with preflop. It only takes a cbet of about 70ish $ here, and will fold out at least half of his hands imo.

Anyway, once you've decided to check the flop, you pretty much have to bet the turn, not even for him to fold, but for value. Now he prob doesn't believe you have much of anything and will hold on with a jack or a flush draw.

River you really don't get anything out of betting here, if you really want to do this type of line, you pretty much need to check/call here so you aren't forced out of the pot with a good hand.

Buy anyway overall i think the best line is 3b pf/B/f flop. If he calls then you can use your judgment based off the turn card, but its time to shutdown.

[villains_hero]

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It only takes a cbet of about 70ish $ here, and will fold out at least half of his hands imo.

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You are right, but it will only fold the ones I want to stay

[WCGRider]

Betting this flop is ev because he will raise you out when your beat and fold when your not, so you gain money here. Your hand isnt strong enough to stand aggression, you basically want to take this down on the flop.

[villains_hero]

We bet to make better hands fold and to make worse pay. And we bet for protection.

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he will raise you out when your beat and fold when your not

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This, especially when we have a read on the opponent, is not a reason for betting. What you suggest makes the hand easier to play, but is loses Value. This flop is a +EV Spot for sure, but often it is more profitable to make a worse hand bet.

I will tend to play like you suggest to avoid tough spots against unknowns that may be strong.

[villains_hero]

btw, what about the Turncheck and the size of the riverbet (villain will not bluffraise)?

[gaming_mouse]

If you don't want to cbet here, you better not be cbetting here 100% of the time when you do have an ace.

[DrewOnTilt]

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It only takes a cbet of about 70ish $ here, and will fold out at least half of his hands imo.

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You are right, but it will only fold the ones I want to stay

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You don't want to build a big pot here, so you really don't want ANY hand to stay. On Ace-high boards your CB doesn't have to be very big, though here you want to price out the draws. Take a stab at it, then shut down if he calls. The way you played it, make a mid-sized bet on the turn (2/3 of the pot or a little less).

[diebitter]

oh, per-leese. c-bet half the pot, don't put any more in after that if called unless a K lands (or something good) except a very small amount.

If you can't do this, bet the turn after the flop checkdown at least.