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Old 03-04-2007, 09:38 PM
HOWMANY HOWMANY is offline
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Default We\'ve been through this routine before, RAAAAISIN IT on the flop

Same 7-9 handed 40 live. Villain is a strange nit/fish combination. Plays tight, then randomly shows up with a coldcalled T3s/J9o. This isn't some genius randomizing play, because he plays pretty poorly. If Mike L reads this it's the douchenit from that shorthanded game with Jose and Jason. I think he thinks I'm a spazz fish and am always bluffing since a bet or two of posturing preflop or on flop obviously means I'm bluffing when I go 4 bets on the turn too. Last hand we played together was the above mentioned crazy shorthanded game in which he was the only person not playing crazy. I opened 84s on the button, he 3bet out of the small blind. We got I think 7 bets on the 894 flop (he c/r me). Right as rain the turn is a 9 and we both check. River not an 8/4 he bets I fold. He shows AA because he wanted to show me what I already knew. After the hand I made some comment about it being a really expensive free card implying I had a straight draw. While it's not impossible for me to do this with a straight draw, there's no [censored] way I'm going to waste the action on this moron that never believes me, and I'm going to do it when I'm winning, not when I'm getting bloodbathed.

Couple limps somewhere. Douche raises button. Small blind calls, I call in BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 to the flop.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Small blind checks, I bet my obvious flush draw. Limpers fold, pfr raises, sb folds, I 3, he 4, I?

This isn't a call down question, this is a 5/7/maybe more or wait for a later street, possibly even the river to c/r him. His thought process on flop is "he's got a bad Ace or a flush draw, I raise". I 3bet informing him I can beat him, he 4bets because he hasn't comprehended what my 3bet means and is probably thinking about the hand where I pumped an imaginary straight draw in position, or perhaps where I made some absolutely insane play like 3bet an aggressive blind stealer's CO open with JTo on the button.
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Old 03-04-2007, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: We\'ve been through this routine before, RAAAAISIN IT on the flop

at this point I check/raise the turn. If you 5bet, I think he'll either go into call down mode, or he'll 6bet, and you have no idea anymore whether he is still convinced of your flush draw or has it himself. Personally, I'd just get confused if I 5bet.
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Old 03-04-2007, 10:34 PM
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Default Re: We\'ve been through this routine before, RAAAAISIN IT on the flop

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at this point I check/raise the turn.

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Standard mediocre thinking.

Either go to town on the flop or call the last pre-flop raise and donk the turn. I prefer the latter. The button may be on a flush draw, and if he's not he's likely to raise the turn donk. 3-big bets are much better than 2.
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Old 03-04-2007, 10:59 PM
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The button can't have a flush draw here ever. Like the only sooted broadway not containing an Ace that he can have is KQ, and he wouldn't pump a flush draw like this anyway. His hand contains an Ace here 100% of the time and his kicker is a J-K like always as well. Maybe, MAYBE he can have ATs. Obviously he can have AA too, if he has that we lose a lot, oh well.
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:15 PM
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Default Re: We\'ve been through this routine before, RAAAAISIN IT on the flop

Then its just a question of what gets you more action vs your tolerance for risk. I'd think you want to go as many bets on the flop as possible such that you don't put the last raise in. Then donk almost all turns looking to 3-bet.
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Old 03-06-2007, 01:26 AM
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Default Re: We\'ve been through this routine before, RAAAAISIN IT on the flop

Keep jamming the flop, especially given your image and recent history w/villain. If a diamond slides off on the turn it will kill your action. Take the action now while you can get it.
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Old 03-06-2007, 02:07 AM
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I'd keep going on the flop because it's more fun and you still might be able to sexy the river.
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Old 03-06-2007, 02:38 AM
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I'd keep going on the flop because it's more fun and you still might be able to sexy the river.

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Yeah in the actual hand the river was a 6 and I just bet, but as soon as I did I realized I probably missed the easiest river c/r opportunity ever.
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