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Old 11-27-2007, 04:22 PM
MatteyA28 MatteyA28 is offline
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Default NL 50- Good spot for 2nd barrel?

Villain is 16/13/2.5 over 70 hands.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $25.35
BTN: $49.75
Hero (SB): $50
BB: $50
UTG: $49.30
MP: $58.35

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.25</font>
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: NL 50- Good spot for 2nd barrel?

yes.

tho make it 3bb preflop not a minraise.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:34 PM
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Default Re: NL 50- Good spot for 2nd barrel?

ya that was a misclick while loading up a new table. My standard there would be 4bb.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: NL 50- Good spot for 2nd barrel?

I think 4bb is too much - 3bb is a pot sized raise and means villain has to call 2bb into a 4bb pot.

4bb costs you money in the long run all the times you get raised and have to fold - or miss the flop and villain seems to wake up witha a hand postflop.

4bb is not bad - you can make a case that as we will be OOP for the rest of the hand making the odds as bad as possible early is goot.

IME tho 3bb does the job nicely.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: NL 50- Good spot for 2nd barrel?

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I think 4bb is too much - 3bb is a pot sized raise and means villain has to call 2bb into a 4bb pot.

4bb costs you money in the long run all the times you get raised and have to fold - or miss the flop and villain seems to wake up witha a hand postflop.

4bb is not bad - you can make a case that as we will be OOP for the rest of the hand making the odds as bad as possible early is goot.

IME tho 3bb does the job nicely.

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thanks for expanding
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:45 PM
MatteyA28 MatteyA28 is offline
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Default Re: NL 50- Good spot for 2nd barrel?

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I think 4bb is too much - 3bb is a pot sized raise and means villain has to call 2bb into a 4bb pot.

4bb costs you money in the long run all the times you get raised and have to fold - or miss the flop and villain seems to wake up witha a hand postflop.

4bb is not bad - you can make a case that as we will be OOP for the rest of the hand making the odds as bad as possible early is goot.

IME tho 3bb does the job nicely.

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thanks for expanding

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Agree. Nice post matrix.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: NL 50- Good spot for 2nd barrel?

Ignoring the math, i always raise the BB 3*BBs if i'm in the SB althought i raise 4*BBs when opening in any other position.
I know you want to take the pot down PF, but raising 3BBs means a lot of the time he calls with a very weak hand then gives up on the flop and you win his PF call.

I never second barrel cause i'm a sissy and never know when to do it so i can't really comment on the turn play.
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