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Old 11-15-2007, 05:18 PM
nigul nigul is offline
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Default Donking away chips on river

Now, this is probably the worst hand I've played lately. I knew that villain made trips on turn, so I potted hoping he will not get there. He got perfect implied odds and I voluntarily payed him out.
My question is: how many hands like this can I afford per 1000 hands to be still winning? Of course it's very silly question, but it must have some more or less decent answer.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5.65
Hero: $12.50
CO: $3.50
Button: $21
SB: $22.35
BB: $1.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.3</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.8</font>, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2.6, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.7</font>, Button calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($8, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8.1</font>, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: $24.2
<font color="#ffffff">Button showed Jd 7s 8c Th</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Ah 9s 3h As</font>
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:25 PM
roggles roggles is offline
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Default Re: Donking away chips on river

How did you know he made trips? You are psychic?

Anyway, bet turn smaller, this is how you would bet if the 8 filled you up. Bet about 1.8 is good.

On river I would bet half the pot and fold to a raise. The reasoning here is we might well have the best hand, so it's a value bet. It's also a blocking bet because if he didn't fill up he probably won't raise, and we want to show this hand down. By betting full pot you are making this way too expensive for yourself
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: Donking away chips on river

lol at your question. i cant answer that sorry
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: Donking away chips on river

I can see reasons for potting the turn if he'll pay with lower flushes etc, but the chances of him having an 8 aren't all that great.
A pot bet on the river doesn't make much sense except against massive payoff wizards.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: Donking away chips on river

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I knew that villain made trips on turn..

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Old 11-15-2007, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: Donking away chips on river

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how many hands like this can I afford per 1000 hands to be still winning?

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43.
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Old 11-16-2007, 03:42 AM
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Default Re: Donking away chips on river

Of course it's easy to say he had trips on turn after seeing the showdown, but I just guessed it after a call on turn. After rethinking it was obvious that he will call pot bet on turn only with full-house, otherwise it was pointless for him to try to draw at all.

Forget about my silly question, I just wonder if I'm loosing due to making big mistakes (like in this hand) too often or just loosing small pots frequently. Can it be somehow taken out using PT?
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Old 11-16-2007, 04:46 AM
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Default Re: Donking away chips on river

The paragraph
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After rethinking it was obvious that he will call pot bet on turn only with full-house, otherwise it was pointless for him to try to draw at all.


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should be read as: After rethinking it is obvious that he will call pot bet on river only with full-house, and there is no way he will lay down his non-nut full house, because otherwise it was pointless for him to draw at all.
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: Donking away chips on river

8/boat isn't a big part of his calling range imo. I like a 1/2 pot blocking/value bet on river
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