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Old 08-17-2006, 07:54 PM
waffle waffle is offline
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Default Pure bluff against Light Isolator

Isolator is 25/19 over large sample

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>,

A lot of people with a 19 PFR will isolate very liberally.. any thoughts about pure bluffing on a drawless flop like this a % of the time? 7.5 SB for grabs, and any non PP, non A hand he has to ditch.
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Old 08-17-2006, 08:06 PM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: Pure bluff against Light Isolator

My first thought is, this is not where the money is at when youre playing poker at this level. My second thought is, wouldnt it be neat if a large thread was compiled of situations where people believed a pure bluff was profitable. This may/may not be a good example of a profitable pure bluff, but I would be very interested in hearing some good examples of when a pure bluff is profitable.
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Old 08-17-2006, 08:08 PM
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Default Re: Pure bluff against Light Isolator

I think this is basically a math problem

1] Isolator's range and how it responds to a check/raise
2] Fish's range and how it responds to facing 2 bets cold

If the Isolator's range is large enough, I really have trouble seeing how folding could be more profitable
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Old 08-17-2006, 08:09 PM
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Default Re: Pure bluff against Light Isolator

Results: I folded the flop like a *****
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Old 08-18-2006, 04:59 AM
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Default Re: Pure bluff against Light Isolator

if u were last to act after the continuation bet u can c/r pretty liberally once heads up

with a fish yet to act bluffing isnt worth it
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Old 08-18-2006, 05:07 AM
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Default Re: Pure bluff against Light Isolator

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Results: I folded the flop like a *****

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okay, so assuming flop raise is correct a certain % of the time (and i agree, it probably is), how do we then determine this %?

**also, what site do you play on, and why do you play 2/4!? you seem too good to play this low!
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Old 08-18-2006, 05:24 AM
Peter Harris Peter Harris is offline
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Default Re: Pure bluff against Light Isolator

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Results: I folded the flop like a *****

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okay, so assuming flop raise is correct a certain % of the time (and i agree, it probably is), how do we then determine this %?

**also, what site do you play on, and why do you play 2/4!? you seem too good to play this low!

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waff plays stars 2/4. Thankfully, usually at a different time to me, so I've avoided most tangling with him. Otherwise I'd probably be in the hole for 600BB.

I know a 25/19 over 1200 hands too. I bet i could pick a few P* names that this could be [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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