25NL ATo - I never know what to do here

[KurtSF]

Both decisions preflop should have been fold. The first decision on the flop should have been a check. As played I guess calling the last $2 is OK, but you never should have gotten there.

[Albert Moulton]

Fold preflop.

After accidentally overlimping with ATo, fold when there is a raise behind you.

After you accidentally limp/call out of position in a multi-way raised pot with an easily dominated ace that doesn't even have the mystic "suited" powers of ATs, you should CRAI the shorty (who has only 1 pot sized bet behind) and hope he has TT, JJ, or KK.

[Albert Moulton]

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ps I'm pretty sure pf is an abortion but I'm getting good odds am I not. granted im oop

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Nooooooooooo! You are setting yourself up for a ton of reverse implied odds. NLHE isn't about pot odds. It's about implied odds. Play ATo in EP, especially OOP in a raised pot, is just BEGGING to either win a little or lose a lot. The losses, when you lose, are just too big. Fold preflop because of the reverse implied odds. Don't be fooled by "pot odds" when you still have a lot of chips in your stack that will play after the flop.

[toymach776]

fold this preflop faster than you can blink.

[jcg2005]

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ps I'm pretty sure pf is an abortion but I'm getting good odds am I not. granted im oop

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Nooooooooooo! You are setting yourself up for a ton of reverse implied odds. NLHE isn't about pot odds. It's about implied odds. Play ATo in EP, especially OOP in a raised pot, is just BEGGING to either win a little or lose a lot. The losses, when you lose, are just too big. Fold preflop because of the reverse implied odds. Don't be fooled by "pot odds" when you still have a lot of chips in your stack that will play after the flop.

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This is a rly good post and something i often forget. TYTY

[diebitter]

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you fold this preflop

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ATo is not playable profitably postflop as it needs so much help on the flop to be properly played (either a flop of ATx or some sort of straighting) - it's a classic win a little/lose a lot hand, like KJo. Therefore it's only playable as a steal hand, usually raising from the button or CO, and in SB or BB if only the blinds are in.

That includes even if you're playing superlag.

[gieffe]

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ps I'm pretty sure pf is an abortion but I'm getting good odds am I not. granted im oop

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Nooooooooooo! You are setting yourself up for a ton of reverse implied odds. NLHE isn't about pot odds. It's about implied odds. Play ATo in EP, especially OOP in a raised pot, is just BEGGING to either win a little or lose a lot. The losses, when you lose, are just too big. Fold preflop because of the reverse implied odds. Don't be fooled by "pot odds" when you still have a lot of chips in your stack that will play after the flop.

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i should stick this post to my monitor.

[gieffe]

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you fold this preflop

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ATo is not playable profitably postflop as it needs so much help on the flop to be properly played (either a flop of ATx or some sort of straighting) - it's a classic win a little/lose a lot hand, like KJo. Therefore it's only playable as a steal hand, usually raising from the button or CO, and in SB or BB if only the blinds are in.

That includes even if you're playing superlag.

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ok i'll stick this one too

[Mike Kelley]

Fold Pre-flop, it makes poker much easier.

[CazicT]

I agree with everything everyone is saying, but what if AT were sooted?

Would you overlimp then, what about from later pos? How would you respond to the raise? What about lower ace-rag suited.

In NLTAP Sklanksy seems to put a good amount of value on the suitedness of ace hands, does this agree with your experience?