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Old 05-13-2006, 05:15 AM
stonescar stonescar is offline
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Default 1/2 lowest pair + BD flushdraw, HU against EP limper

What do you think about this play?
UTG+1 is LP (52/0/0.6)

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2.5SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>

(Disclaimer: This might be uninteresting and standard play)
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Old 05-13-2006, 05:21 AM
Kwaz Kwaz is offline
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Default Re: 1/2 lowest pair + BD flushdraw, HU against EP limper

Not worth it.
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Old 05-13-2006, 05:40 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 lowest pair + BD flushdraw, HU against EP limper

I just realised I'm forgetting the importance of potsize. Another leak to plug, I guess...
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Old 05-13-2006, 05:51 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 lowest pair + BD flushdraw, HU against EP limper

It's good if he typically bets in there pots in there spots when checked to (many players do). I mix up c/r and betting out. I like the turn card, makes it harder for him to call without a pair now. River will be tough UI though. c/f turn or bet as a final attempt (assuming he can fold) if the turn card doesn't help you.
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Old 05-13-2006, 08:07 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 lowest pair + BD flushdraw, HU against EP limper

Fold when the LP-P player bets the flop. Better yet, bet the flop.
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Old 05-13-2006, 09:34 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 lowest pair + BD flushdraw, HU against EP limper

It was either a bet or a check/raise on the flop. Folding to a single bet is not an option. He might be LP, but he's also the kind of player that bets all streets (maybe except river)with any two cards when checked to.

I had a good table image, and I knew he would have more respect for a C/R then a bet. The A is an excellent scarecard, so the turn action was a no brainer.

I guess I was just getting tired of being called with any two on the flop, and then being uncertain whether to bet the turn. If I had bet the flop, and the turn wasn't a club, I would have check/folded the turn. The irritating part is knowing he bets the turn with any two cards, and I might be folding a better hand...

Maybe a "bet flop, bet any turn" is a better line against these guys?

Anyways, it worked, he folded the turn.
As Kwaz said, I'm not sure it's worth it, though...
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Old 05-13-2006, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 lowest pair + BD flushdraw, HU against EP limper

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He might be LP, but he's also the kind of player that bets all streets (maybe except river)with any two cards when checked to.

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If that's the case then you should be check-calling the flop/turn anytime you flop a mediocre hand that is showdown-able. It's hard for me to believe someone who has an AF of .6 would be this kind of player because I haven't really run across someone like that.
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Old 05-13-2006, 11:42 AM
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Default Re: 1/2 lowest pair + BD flushdraw, HU against EP limper

Bet Flop, or fold to his flop bet
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