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Old 06-07-2006, 04:52 PM
jcm4ccc jcm4ccc is offline
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Default Does this hand make sense?

PS $10 tournament, 10-minute levels. 99 pays, approximately 125 left. BB has 2900 after posting. Table has been fairly tight.

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t1000/t2000
(Ante: t100)
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t17935
UTG+1: t18494
MP1: t22046
MP2: t18622
Hero: t19206
Button: t12276
SB: t11247
BB: t4949

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t19106</font>
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Old 06-07-2006, 04:57 PM
Sh@i'tan Sh@i'tan is offline
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Default Re: Does this hand make sense?

I don't like it, bb is very short and my be making some unexpected calls.
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: Does this hand make sense?

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I don't like it, bb is very short and my be making some unexpected calls.

[/ QUOTE ] My hope is that bb folds, but that's unrealistic. My expectation is that bb calls, and everybody else folds.
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:12 PM
AceLuby AceLuby is offline
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Default Re: Does this hand make sense?

A raise to 5k does the same thing, w/out risking your whole stack. With that sized raise the other two will essentially be risking their entire stack to play. IMO this was move wasn't thought out, you will get called by the other two if they run into a monster (JJ+, AK) and you're crippled.
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: Does this hand make sense?

You really want to play J6 against a random hand?

Fold preflop.
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:17 PM
Sh@i'tan Sh@i'tan is offline
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I don't like it, bb is very short and my be making some unexpected calls.

[/ QUOTE ] My hope is that bb folds, but that's unrealistic. My expectation is that bb calls, and everybody else folds.

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, that makes more sense eyeballing the math you are getting about 1.35:1 when he calls. Add in the itme he folds and j6 should only have to hold up 30% of the time for this to be +cEV, but button/sb can wake up with hands also. And your image is going to be shot after you are called which is another reason i don't like it.
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:21 PM
Imrahil Imrahil is offline
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Default Re: Does this hand make sense?

J6 against a random hand is about 48%. Since the blinds are so high, the all-in isn't a bad move. If the BB folds, then that's even better.
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:31 PM
AceLuby AceLuby is offline
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Default Re: Does this hand make sense?

Who's worried about the BB? Surely you shouldn't. I'm worried about the two that can CRIPPLE my stack. Std betting works better here, what raises have stolen in the past?
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: Does this hand make sense?

I usually put a lot of weight on the BB's pokerdb stats in this situation. If he hasn't cashed a lot, or usually just limps into the money but gets no further, I am much more likely to push. I haven't noticed this type of analysis mentioned, and I've been meaning to ask if anyone else does this. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: Does this hand make sense?

Just want to ask - when people in this forum say "push any two" isn't this the kind of hand you do it with in this situation? If not I don't know where else you'd do it. I mean, tables pretty tight, folds to you in Cutoff, stand to earn t4000 (almost 1/4 of your stack) and have everyone covered including BB. I guess showing J6o could be problematic since BB is say 50% likely to call with any 2 given his stack, but a) is anyone paying attention anyway and b) you can tighten up a lot more if you win now that you're a little more chip heavy + since everyone thinks you're a maniac you can get some loose calls with real hands and double up
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