AA26 preflop decision

[samwallistea]

Had this hand earlier against this fish, he has been raising preflop a lot, and the first hand I sat down I saw him get allin preflop with AA6T. I think my reraise preflop here is a given but was I correct to push or should I just called? Hate to get allin preflop would I of been better just seeing a flop? Thoughts and comments greatly appreciated.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1562081

[mattb8818]

Why do you hate to get it allin preflop with the best hand?

[TheStation]

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Hate to get allin preflop

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I would rather get your thoughts and comments on this statement before giving too many of my own, anyone who doesnt want to get all in preflop with any AA2x hand should quit playing PL/NLO8

[liveplaya]

I disagree on gettin it all in preflop. Yes AA2x is one of the best starting hands in o8( except when it has an 7,8,9 in it)but there is so much that can happen on a flop in o8. For instance acording to bill bostons book AA26(not sutied) will win the high 6.3% of the time, the low 8.7% of the time and will scoop 21.8% of the time, for a total of 36.9% of the time you will win w this hand. IMO unless you have him dominated in some sort of way, im not happy getting my full buyin in a 40% win rate.in a game where a 3 card flop could have you drawing dead. How ever after a favorable flop I would say that I would be getting my money in 100% of the time

[TheStation]

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I disagree on gettin it all in preflop. Yes AA2x is one of the best starting hands in o8( except when it has an 7,8,9 in it)but there is so much that can happen on a flop in o8. For instance acording to bill bostons book AA26(not sutied) will win the high 6.3% of the time, the low 8.7% of the time and will scoop 21.8% of the time, for a total of 36.9% of the time you will win w this hand. IMO unless you have him dominated in some sort of way, im not happy getting my full buyin in a 40% win rate.in a game where a 3 card flop could have you drawing dead. How ever after a favorable flop I would say that I would be getting my money in 100% of the time


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I want to clarify that I am talking about getting AA2x all in preflop every time possible regardless of being 2, 3, 4, ... ways.

Your logic is a bit flawed. You are saying AA26 is only going to win 36.9% of the time vs any random hand? Think about this heads up since that is what most all ins will be. Lets say he has KJ65 rainbow, you have to know in your head you will be ahead of that.

Lets run AA26 vs AA34, AA26 is 51.2% vs AA34 being 48.8%, this is a more worse case scenario, the only hands that beat AA26 are AA23, AA24, and AA25 (Buzz or others correct me if I am wrong) so unless we are going to worry about scary monsters in the closet, we should shove every time

To get results specific, on this hand, the guy reraised to put 40% of his stack in, you might as well shove every time here as there isnt really a flop you should probably fold to so you might as well get it all in preflop and he will call 99% of the time (might get a few freak laydowns where you get even more value)

[liveplaya]

I agree w your reasoning but wouldn't this allin preflop 100% of the time we could get it In lead to a hell of alot more variance?

[garcia1000]

This thread really sucks, it should belong in beginners forum or something.

[garcia1000]

For what it's worth, I have pushed all-in over a raise with AA8Jss in NLO8 for $2000 in a $1/$2 game, when the raise was to $15. And I would do it again at the game conditions I was playing in.

[TheStation]

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I agree w your reasoning but wouldn't this allin preflop 100% of the time we could get it In lead to a hell of alot more variance?

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I guess my next question to ask would be "Why do we care about additional variance?" I dont really want an answer to that as it wouldnt lead to anything constructive (if you think it would, please say something).

I think any player would love to get it all in with the best of it as often as possible, if you are not willing to do this, well, then that seems -EV. I dont see why you would want to put in 40% of the effective stack in preflop in any hand and fold, you are getting laid too good a price to call all in on the flop so we might as well get it in preflop. If this hand was 200-300 BB deep and the % effective stacks going in preflop was less than 20% then I could argue for just smooth calling his reraise (moreso in position) in order to build up a huge pot in position when you have more control, but for this 100x BB example, doesnt seem necessary.

[BlueBear]

It's an automatic preflop all-in.