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#1
11-18-2007, 09:57 PM
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too big to back out?
I wasn't even going to be in this hand but I had position and was suited with just a Q high and no kicker.
But then the pot started getting so big that all my reading of SSHE esp. (I remember Miller) said hang in there. Would you have backed out? I think the pot was laying me odds to continue or was it? Poker Stars Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.25/$0.5 10 players Converter Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks. Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7SB, 7 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls. Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 5 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 caps</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls. River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (24.5BB, 4 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 caps</font>, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls. Results: Final pot: 38.5BB 
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#2
11-18-2007, 10:20 PM
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Re: too big to back out?
i fold the flop here almost every time
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#3
11-18-2007, 11:16 PM
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Re: too big to back out?
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i fold the flop here every time [/ QUOTE ] also, i think you have to 3bet the river; there's no guarantee it gets reraised behind you.
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#4
11-18-2007, 11:17 PM
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Re: too big to back out?
Fold the flop with TPNK and already a bet, raise, and call in front of you.
[ QUOTE ] But then the pot started getting so big that all my reading of SSHE esp. (I remember Miller) said hang in there. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, you should probably look it up and see what he really said.
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#6
11-19-2007, 12:29 AM
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Re: too big to back out?
I was being laid 7 to 1 odds on the flop. Since I wasn't drawing to the nut flush I'm not sure how to estimate my outs.
Miller said in SSHE pgs 149-150 in the section "Continuing When You Might Be Drawing Dead" "In large pots you should often continue even when your winning chances appear grim...Consequently, if the pot is big, you should be relatively certain that you are drawing dead before you fold." And the other comments about raising the river, I agree. After the turn cap I was thinking I was up against the nut(or K)flush and was thinking I was beaten and not thinking I had the best hand to raise.
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#7
11-19-2007, 12:56 AM
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Re: too big to back out?
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I was being laid 7 to 1 odds on the flop. Since I wasn't drawing to the nut flush I'm not sure how to estimate my outs. [/ QUOTE ] No, you had to call 2 small bets cold in a 10sb pot. This gives you 10:2 or 5:1 odds.
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#8
11-19-2007, 01:43 AM
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Re: too big to back out?
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IMiller said in SSHE pgs 149-150 in the section "Continuing When You Might Be Drawing Dead" "In large pots you should often continue even when your winning chances appear grim...Consequently, if the pot is big, you should be relatively certain that you are drawing dead before you fold." [/ QUOTE ] I hope you turned the page and read the rest of the section. It talks about making a call on the turn in a huge pot (15 BB) getting a good price to draw to a strong hand (flush draw/straight draw). He's not talking about weak hands with no redraws calling two cold on the flop on a pot that is only "starting to get big" (7 BB).
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#9
11-19-2007, 01:52 AM
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Re: too big to back out?
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[ QUOTE ] I was being laid 7 to 1 odds on the flop. Since I wasn't drawing to the nut flush I'm not sure how to estimate my outs. [/ QUOTE ] No, you had to call 2 small bets cold in a 10sb pot. This gives you 10:2 or 5:1 odds. [/ QUOTE ] You forgot the flop coldcallers, it's 14:2.
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#10
11-19-2007, 01:54 AM
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Re: too big to back out?
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[ QUOTE ] I was being laid 7 to 1 odds on the flop. Since I wasn't drawing to the nut flush I'm not sure how to estimate my outs. [/ QUOTE ] No, you had to call 2 small bets cold in a 10sb pot. This gives you 10:2 or 5:1 odds. [/ QUOTE ] You didn't count the overcallers. He is getting 7:1.
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