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NinaWilliams · #1 11-22-2007, 06:05 PM

CO is a 40/20 LAG, but most of it is from 4 handed. Blinds are loose passive and bad. Does anyone have a better turn plan?

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12SB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises,

Oink · #2 11-22-2007, 06:23 PM

First of all. Start filtering those stats yo! It will give you a helluva lot more precise info

Since the stats are a lot of 4 handed this guy can easily be a 28/17 kind of guy, or?

If your image is tight and solid I am fine with preflop. If you have been loosing and if he is SD bound I am not sure its a very good play. Not saying its bad. Just saying I am not sure his range is wide enough.

Not sure about turn. You are hoping UTG has QT or Q9 and that SB doesnt have AQ, A7, A8. Not sure you ever fold a better hand.

I think I am just calling hoping to catch a J or Q. If SB raises behind you can get away pretty easy and if he doesnt you can prolly fold river UI if SB stays in. Not sure about that tho.

context · #3 11-23-2007, 06:25 AM

Partly depends on just how bad SB is. Will he call 2bets here without an ace or something better? If he will then the raise might be good, but he would have to be really awful to be calling with nothing so I suspect the raise is for bluffing rather than equity.

If you think they missed the ace then you're not scared of many cards, maybe a K, 7 or 8 (to give 2pair or trips).

It's a coordinated board so UTG could be pumping a draw, but, if he's got any sense his flop 3bet implies he can beat TP. The ace is very likely to hit one of them, in which case you're throwing away money.

I think I'd just call, you probably have 5 outs in a 11.5BB pot.

Spy Dog · #4 11-23-2007, 06:47 AM

Preflop: Fold or coldcalling is best. Coldcalling with loose-passive blinds that play bad is better than 3-betting.

Flop: Raising is OK. Calling here with the intention of raising brickish turns would be OK also, but only if you can fold to a turn 3-bet. If not then calling the entire way is the best play.

Turn: Call down. He likes his hand and he's not folding. Since you are at an equity disadvantage to UTG's range it's better to call and hope the SB calls and supplements the pot. Raising is bad because you will be getting 3-bet here a huge % of the time.

Wolfram · #5 11-23-2007, 06:51 AM

I really don't understand why you're raising the turn.

NinaWilliams · #6 11-23-2007, 06:54 AM

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My thought process was this: Im probably losing 2bb if I'm beat anyway. If he ever folds a chop or KQ its huge. If I do have the best hand, I dont want SB to draw cheaply.

Wolfram · #7 11-23-2007, 07:31 AM

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My thought process was this: Im probably losing 2bb if I'm beat anyway. If he ever folds a chop or KQ its huge. If I do have the best hand, I dont want SB to draw cheaply.

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Those actually seem pretty good, if a bit fps-ish. So you're folding to a 3-bet, I assume?

If so, we just have to weigh the gains of getting these results vs the cost of forfeiting our equity if we either have the best hand or enough outs to make a profitable call.