Flop decision at 10/20

[gemmer]

I was having a discussion with a 2+2er about this hand that was played by a friend of mine.

Villain is 33/30/2.6 filtered for 5-6 handed after 81 hands.

The question is what do you do on this flop? Is your answer different if villain is like 27/22?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero

[surfdoc]

Pretty sure that is a fold with either villian.

[Kobecarter]

You need to have further reads on your opponents. Whats their 3-betting range and how aggressive do they play the turn (eg. continuation betting turn in PT)
Some opponents like to check the turn in these spots and vs them a call is a great play, some opponents barrel any turn in 3bet pots.
With a backdoor FD, the descision would become easier.

[Tryptamean]

Against a wide 3betting range, you equity isnt that bad, but this is a bad rio situation. IF you feel he's getting out of line preflop, I would prefer capping to take back the initiative.

[Crusher19]

i think peeling sucks with no reads, if you have more info on the opponent and know that he slows down with an A on board you can take it away from them. with no read capping and taking control of the hand seems better

[DeathDonkey]

I'd consider floating the second guy but never the first.

-DeathDonkey

[Adebisi]

I'd cap preflop for sure against this guy. If he's 33/30 5-6 handed, his range for 3-betting a button raise 4-handed must be pretty wide. I think you have a decent equity edge preflop and the hand will be much easier to play on later streets if you have the lead.

[Tryptamean]

I like DD's comment, the standard tag is much more likely to c/f his pp or whatever because you had to have called the flop with "something"

[Mig]

I personally don't like peeling a flop like that vs a tag because I think that he will have a pair on that flop close to 70% of the time considering the range I put below and usually (at 100/200) they won't ever fold a pair even tho you did call a A55 flop because often enough the button caller will have air or a hand like 22-77 calling the flop and folding the turn expecting a check from hands like KQ often enough to call the flop with the idea of taking down the pot on the turn. Add to that the times he keeps firing the turn with absolutely nothing or a caught flush draw/gutter and now your equity goes down a lot. The more he bluffs the worst it gets.

If we expect him to fire any pair/draw I think that becomes a ridiculous bad call, but it's just my 2 cents

Here is a 27% range that I could use against button/co steal which I believe would be close enough to my exact range in a game.

33+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,A4o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo

[Carmine]

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I like DD's comment, the standard tag is much more likely to c/f his pp or whatever because you had to have called the flop with "something"

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I think DD's thinking here is that we get to see more rivers for 1SB against a tag. This won't happen often enough against a lag. I don't belive his intent was to bet a brick turn if checked to, but I may be wrong.