soap c/r

[ship it pls]

CP 30/60

background: utg is 2p2er soap and sb is drunken business man who is a complete goon and does not understand the game

utg raises
hero 3-bets 99
folds to sb who 4-bets
utg calls
hero caps

3 of us to the flop... KJ9r... sb bets, utg 2, hero 3, sb call, utg 4, hero 5

turn 2 (no flush draws out)

check to hero who fires, sb calls, utg c/r, hero...?

interested in the 3-bet and cap preflop as well as turn spot...

all comments appreciated

[gameoverjc]

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...sb is drunken business man who is a complete goon and does not understand the game...

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that's all i need to know. i give him a lift to 3 town. i don't ever slow down here against these types. ever.

[cgrohman]

uuu, there is another player in this hand. I mean, i guess there are 4 hands soap can have. Ak, AA, KK, or JJ. You 5 bet the flop and he still c/r both of you, that strongly discounts AK. I am not good enough to fold this, but I sure as heck don't 3-bet.

[bakku]

you 5-bet preflop and 5-bet the flop and he doesn't care. if you're thinking about 3-betting here either you have a fantastically laggy image or villain has no idea what he's doing

[ship it pls]

a few qualifiers, i am quite laggy compared to most live players

also, i think soap caps JJ and KK every time in this spot... i think QTs, KJs and a very discounted JJ make up his range...

my rationale behind 3-betting the turn was that the sb almost always has 4 outs to his gut shot and in this large of a pot i want to do everything i can to protect my hand (if i am ahead)...

i hope that helps give the conversation some direction

[hoppscot22]

he has JJ, dont three bet

[PokerBob]

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a few qualifiers, i am quite laggy compared to most live players

also, i think soap caps JJ and KK every time in this spot... i think QTs, KJs and a very discounted JJ make up his range...

my rationale behind 3-betting the turn was that the sb almost always has 4 outs to his gut shot and in this large of a pot i want to do everything i can to protect my hand (if i am ahead)...

i hope that helps give the conversation some direction

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soap has you beat here the vast majority of the time. the only way he doesn't is if you are indeed a complete lagtardspewmonkey and he knows it, and thus he feels you could be dumb enough to have AK or AA here.

[Nate.]

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a few qualifiers, i am quite laggy compared to most live players

also, i think soap caps JJ and KK every time in this spot... i think QTs, KJs and a very discounted JJ make up his range...

my rationale behind 3-betting the turn was that the sb almost always has 4 outs to his gut shot and in this large of a pot i want to do everything i can to protect my hand (if i am ahead)...

i hope that helps give the conversation some direction

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Dude--

That's not "direction." That's reducing the thread to arithmetic any experienced player should be able to do in about ten seconds.

If all I know is that soap is a good player, then I definitely don't cap preflop. By the time we get to the ellipsis in the OP you should be in crying-call mode despite the overlay from the SB. Three-betting is bonkers unless there's bizarre image stuff you didn't tell us about.

--Nate

[jskills]

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uuu, there is another player in this hand. I mean, i guess there are 4 hands soap can have. Ak, AA, KK, or JJ. You 5 bet the flop and he still c/r both of you, that strongly discounts AK. I am not good enough to fold this, but I sure as heck don't 3-bet.

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Ditto.

Sure smells like JJ UTG to me. I call down and cry that I lost the drunk's dead money to a better hand.

[jskills]

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...sb is drunken business man who is a complete goon and does not understand the game...

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that's all i need to know. i give him a lift to 3 town. i don't ever slow down here against these types. ever.

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UTG is a 2+2er who opened, called 2 more back to him PF, 5 bets on the flop, and is now check raising the turn vs. 2 opponents. And you 3 bet?