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Old 09-27-2007, 11:06 PM
nancyloum1 nancyloum1 is offline
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Default top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

Sorry about weird conversion.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t3205)
Hero (t3970)
BB (t6035)
UTG (t4530)
MP (t1137)
CO (t7263)

Preflop: Hero is SB with :6s, :qs.
UTG calls t200, MP calls t200, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Button calls t200, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1000) :js, :7d, :qc [color=#0000FF](5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, [color=#CC3333]UTG bets t200</font>, MP calls t200, Button calls t200, Hero calls t200, BB folds.

Turn: (t1800) :2h [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks.

River: (t1800) :as [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: t1800
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:23 PM
SuperUberBob SuperUberBob is offline
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Default Re: top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

To avoid these decisions, you could fold preflop. I wouldn't, but you could.

I pretty much play the hand the same way you do.
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Old 09-28-2007, 03:59 AM
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Default Re: top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

I fold this one preflop, postflop your line is ok imo.
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Old 09-28-2007, 04:29 AM
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Default Re: top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

Hmm, I'm not convinced by the flop call.

OP, and those who agree with the line, whats your plan for later streets if someone's bet out at you?

Its all very well to agree with the call, after we know it gets checked down, but 9 out of 10 times that isnt going to happen.
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Old 09-28-2007, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

sure but look at the bet-size

i would handle a 200 bet into a 1000 pot as a call - if we were last to act i would raise, but in a multiway pot like this i think it's best to get to the showdown as cheap as possible.
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:11 AM
JammyDodga JammyDodga is offline
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Default Re: top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

Yeah, but most of the time, we are'nt going to get a cheap show-down, and we will have to fold this down the line, in whcih case we have just thrown away 200 chips.
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:16 AM
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Default Re: top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

that's why i would fold it preflop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:22 AM
JammyDodga JammyDodga is offline
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Default Re: top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

Indeed, but I think if we are going to call, we need to shut down our negative implied odds if we flop a marginal hand like this, and be disciplined and fold if we dont hit the flop hard.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:13 AM
All_In_Olly All_In_Olly is offline
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Default Re: top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

Fold pre flop, as played its fine, though I'd consider folding as ok also.
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Old 09-28-2007, 10:23 AM
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Default Re: top pair on flop, terrible kicker -- how do I handle this?

looks fine...maybe throw in a river bet but line looks okay to me
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