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Old 07-30-2007, 02:00 PM
Speel Posher Speel Posher is offline
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Default difficult river situation against tilting player

just bluffed this guy in a previous hand and showed it to him, so i think he is tilting. Plays rather loose preflop as well

Bodog History for Hand #832210931
Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007-07-30 12:26:06
Table 'Royal Woodbine' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: madogwtf69 ($42.87)
Seat 2: imlaykid ($24.65)
Seat 3: identifier ($29.40)
Seat 4: TKETony ($25.00)
Seat 5: Keram1986 ($5.40)
Seat 6: obsinity ($20.55)
Seat 7: LQQK TA ($47.05)
Seat 9: Kroggy ($12.51)
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NEW HAND
obsinity: posts the small blind $0.10
LQQK TA: posts the big blind $0.25
TKETony: posts the big blind $0.25
--- DEALING POCKETS
madogwtf69 is dealt [7d,7s]
Kroggy: raises $0.55 to $0.80
madogwtf69: calls $0.80
imlaykid: calls $0.80
identifier: folds
TKETony: calls $0.55
Keram1986: calls $0.80
obsinity: folds
LQQK TA: calls $0.55
--- DEALING FLOP [8d,6c,8h]
LQQK TA: checks
Kroggy: checks
madogwtf69: bets $4.00
A New $0.05/$0.10 Texas Hold'em table Cyclones has started.
imlaykid: folds
TKETony: folds
Keram1986: folds
LQQK TA: calls $4.00
Kroggy: folds
--- DEALING TURN [Ac]
LQQK TA: checks
madogwtf69: checks
--- DEALING RIVER [5h]
LQQK TA: goes all in $42.25
Hero....???

I understand in normal situations this is a fold, but he is making an extreme overbet in this pot. He did this one time earlier when he turned an open ended straight draw and then shoved 27 into a 10 dollar pot. he could easily have any two here.
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: difficult river situation against tilting player

fold
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:05 PM
Speel Posher Speel Posher is offline
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Default Re: difficult river situation against tilting player

what kind of hand do i have to have to make this a call then? 99, 1010 A rag? etc.
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: difficult river situation against tilting player

If he didn't have an ace I'm amazed.
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: difficult river situation against tilting player

the pot is ~15 dollars, so betting 43 is quite an over bet...that is why i was confused. my first thought was folding, but like i said he could easily have a lone 6 here.

if we are saying my 7s are a fold, then what range of hands do i need to make it a call profitably?
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: difficult river situation against tilting player

I want the nuts to call a 3x pot over bet.
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: difficult river situation against tilting player

ok here was the hand right before this.

Bodog History for Hand #832210186
Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007-07-30 12:25:00
Table 'Royal Woodbine' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: madogwtf69 ($39.57)
Seat 2: imlaykid ($24.65)
Seat 3: identifier ($29.40)
Seat 5: Keram1986 ($5.50)
Seat 6: obsinity ($20.80)
Seat 7: LQQK TA ($50.30)
Seat 9: Kroggy ($12.51)
------------------------------
NEW HAND
Keram1986: posts the small blind $0.10
obsinity: posts the big blind $0.25
--- DEALING POCKETS
madogwtf69 is dealt [Qh,Jh]
LQQK TA: calls $0.25
Kroggy: folds
madogwtf69: raises $0.75 to $1.00
imlaykid: folds
identifier: folds
Keram1986: folds
obsinity: folds
LQQK TA: calls $0.75
--- DEALING FLOP [3s,2d,6s]
LQQK TA: bets $0.25
madogwtf69: raises $1.75 to $2.00
LQQK TA: calls $1.75
--- DEALING TURN [As]
LQQK TA: bets $0.25
madogwtf69: raises $4.75 to $5.00
LQQK TA: folds
$4.75 is not called, return back to madogwtf69:
madogwtf69: shows [Qh,Jh], High Card, Ace
Hand 832210186:
madogwtf69: wins($6.55)
with High Card, Ace

you think we need the nuts to call him when this just happened? just my thoughts. he did do something like this previously with a k high straight draw with one card to come into two players, so that is why i posted this hand.
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: difficult river situation against tilting player

thats different, a weak bet he raises, looka like he likes to pounce on supposed weakness, just set up a trap up for him when you have a good hand, not a marginal hand-- why would you lose your stack here over a pair of 7's... understand he likes to overbet and find a better spot
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:48 PM
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Default Re: difficult river situation against tilting player

i agree with you reef, i was just wondering if i can call this bet with an ace or 1010-kk.

i folded the hand mentioned above because i merely had 7s, but i was wondering what range i can make that call with. it is an extremely large over bet and he could easily have q high. i would think that if he had trips or a straight, he would actually make a bet that i could call, but i could be wrong.

i showed him a bluff previously so i can get paid off in the future. i dont have the holdings for that this hand, but if i had JJ would it be any different?
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: difficult river situation against tilting player

no, i don't think so, even kk is marginal with that ace-- realize donks make dumb plays but you can't pay them off, i would call with a 10 and above here, i would really like to see you fire a double barrel at that a turn, because thats a good scare card (also acting like you raised with ace high and hit it) and theres no way he calls without an ace
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