1/2 QQ in 3bet pot against tight player

schwza · #1 03-14-2007, 04:11 AM

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Button ($282.70)
SB ($217.85)
Hero ($359.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Button raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $28, Button calls $20.

Flop: ($57) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $40, Button calls $40.

Turn: ($137) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
hero?

if you say "bet" please say what you do vs a push. same for checking if he bets. we have about 210 left.

edit: i have him at around 15/10. he seems pretty reasonable post-flop.

JackAll · #2 03-14-2007, 05:32 AM

I would say after he calls ur pf rrz and flop, his range is 33/88/TT/JJ/KK/AA

You beat none of that.

Sucks, but I think it's best to c/f.

ElPhoenix · #3 03-14-2007, 05:44 AM

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ManChild · #4 03-14-2007, 05:50 AM

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I would say after he calls ur pf rrz and flop, his range is 33/88/TT/JJ/KK/AA

You beat none of that.

Sucks, but I think it's best to c/f.

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you dont think he ever comes along on the PF and on the flop with AT, JTs or the like, and 99 or 77 ?

im not saying your idea to c/f is wrong necc. but i think he will often call with these too

i think you are behind here a gross amount, but id probably bet/fold

ata · #5 03-14-2007, 10:33 AM

Against this villain I think it's a c/f on the turn if he bets big. If he's capable of bluffing AK then I may have to reconsider this line but most 15/10's don't. He's not calling a turn bet with worse, though he could have AQ/AK - I'll give him a free card.

fooz · #6 03-14-2007, 11:08 AM

Is your 15/10 stat filtered at 3-handed or do they include up to 6-handed? That's EXTREMELY tight for 3 handed play...and if it's true, then I think you CAN narrow his range pretty easily to something that beats you. Check, fold, and take all of his money preflop.

If the range includes up to 6-handed, I still check-fold to any bet over about a 1/3 of the pot, since you are only getting called by better hands if you bet.

schwza · #7 03-14-2007, 01:55 PM

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Is your 15/10 stat filtered at 3-handed or do they include up to 6-handed? That's EXTREMELY tight for 3 handed play...and if it's true, then I think you CAN narrow his range pretty easily to something that beats you. Check, fold, and take all of his money preflop.

If the range includes up to 6-handed, I still check-fold to any bet over about a 1/3 of the pot, since you are only getting called by better hands if you bet.

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good point, should've mentioned that. stats are for 3-6 handed. we've mostly played 5-6 handed together.

luckybacon · #8 03-14-2007, 02:08 PM

against this type of player i think u are good very rarely

schwza · #9 03-14-2007, 02:23 PM

ok, i was planning check/folding.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($282.70)
SB ($217.85)
Hero ($359.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Button raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $28, Button calls $20.

Flop: ($57) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $40, Button calls $40.

Turn: ($137) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($137) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
hero?

RiverHebrew2 · #10 03-14-2007, 02:33 PM

Reads? How tight is he? Would he float in position with just overs? Would he flatcall here with set? Honestly, if he's really tight, I don't see a hand you beat unless its 99, which still has outs on the river and would not bet this turn. Therefore c/f this turn is probably best line. He could have slowplayed KK/AA preflop, and 88-JJ is his most likely range, 3 of which hit the board. You beat essentially nothing that plays a big pot with u on this board.