Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)

[primetime32]

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<font color="blue"> Hold Your Horses</font>
I'm going to post a HH that goes COUNTER to the current hypothesis. It's a hand where an opponent moves all in on the river, and ***DOUBLEDRAG CALLS WITH A WORSE HAND*** But not just any worse hand: bottom pair. On no planet does this make sense. It doesn't make sense if he CAN see hole cards, and it doesn't make sense if he CANT.

STAGE #756266573: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $30 - 2007-09-07 21:58:59 (ET)

Table: BEATY AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer

Seat 5 - HOWDUZZYDOIT ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - FRISCOMELT ($8301 in chips)
Seat 2 - FU_BEGGAR ($6000 in chips)
Seat 4 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2365 in chips)
FRISCOMELT - Posts small blind $15
FU_BEGGAR - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $90 to $90
HOWDUZZYDOIT - Folds
FRISCOMELT - Calls $75
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
*** FLOP *** [6d 4d Kc]
FRISCOMELT - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $90
FRISCOMELT - Calls $90
*** TURN *** [6d 4d Kc] [Jc]
FRISCOMELT - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $480
FRISCOMELT - Calls $480
*** RIVER *** [6d 4d Kc Jc] [2c]
<font color="red">FRISCOMELT - Bets $7170
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $1705
FRISCOMELT - returned ($5465) : not called</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FRISCOMELT - Shows [8c 7c] (Flush, king high)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
FRISCOMELT Collects $4758 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4760) | Rake ($2)
Board [6d 4d Kc Jc 2c]
Seat 1: FRISCOMELT (small blind) won Total ($4758) HI$4758) wit Flush, king high [8c 7c - B:Kc,B:Jc,P:8c,P:7c,B:2c]
Seat 2: FU_BEGGAR (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [Qs 2s]
Seat 5: HOWDUZZYDOIT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

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And there is another hand where he calls an all in with 99 preflop against QQ.

[Phoenix1010]

Is there more info available on the limit hands that have everyone convinced? Also can someone explain how DanDruff knows that they're the same account?

Edit- also, the chip dumping.

[RiverFenix]

Could be retarded and not even notice the flush

[adanthar]

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I more tend to believe the trojan horse version

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The problem with the trojan theory is that he's running like this vs. everyone at the table. They'd *all* have to be infected, because he's seeing nearly 100% of flops and winning 70% of the pots he's in. Even if only 1-2 people were normals he would actually have to play poker vs. them, and he's just not doing that in these HH's. Except for that Q2 hand, I guess - I wanna see the rest of that session.

[Vacant]

it's not a tourney, editing post to remove extraneous stuff -ad

[primetime32]

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Does anyone agree alot of this stuff is so worthless. To me, its pretty clear these guys are cheating. They are obviously going to occassionally lose big pots so they dont get busted?????

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If they were trying to disguise their cheating they wouldn't be doing half the crap they are accused of doing. If these guys were smart they would be winning at a much slower rate. Alot about this situation does not make sense.

[PartyGirlUK]

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Could be retarded and not even notice the flush

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My first thought too.

[cheeeemo]

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Could be retarded and not even notice the flush

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exactly.

He might be so excited about his ability to see / cheat whatever, or he could be spewing chips from time to time incase anyone ever did question.

or,

perhaps he wasnt using an acocunt to see the cards at that time

[Klompy]

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I more tend to believe the trojan horse version

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The problem with the trojan theory is that he's running like this vs. everyone at the table. They'd *all* have to be infected, because he's seeing nearly 100% of flops and winning 70% of the pots he's in. Even if only 1-2 people were normals he would actually have to play poker vs. them, and he's just not doing that in these HH's. Except for that Q2 hand, I guess - I wanna see the rest of that session.

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Most people at these stakes are running pokertracker right? Didn't they just find out that their server had been broken into or something? Is it possible that a while back he snuck a trojan in something like that which most players would have?

edit: not trying to say this is actually what happened or accuse pokertracker of anything.

[teddyFBI]

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Could be retarded and not even notice the flush

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lol - that's possible. although if true, then that would make that HH the nastiest of all nasty river calls with bottom pair on a terrifying board against an all-in push in front of him.