2/4 B&M - AKh vs A86 (all spades); wait for safe turn card?

[gobbledygeek]

2/4 B&M, 10 handed, loose and passive

No reads.

Preflop (10 players): Hero is UTG with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop (5 players, 10 SB): A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB bets, BB folds, Hero...

I'm having trouble knowing how to play flops of all one suit when I catch a big piece (TPTK for example) without one of the suit. What's the general plan here? Do I simply call the flop, lead/raise a non-spade turn and check/fold a spade turn? Or do I raise the flop, then ditto for the rest?

GcluelessnoobG

[tyler_cracker]

rizaise for vizalue.

[LrdNikon]

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rizaise for vizalue.

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I agree. Find out where you are while it's cheap.

If it's checked to you on the turn, bet a nonspade.

I'd probably fold if c/r on the turn or if led into on a spade turn or river.

[TheCount212]

Not sure whether a raise or call is in order. Sometimes people in EP like to throw out a bet on a flush board to scare others off. If you call you'll be guessing the rest of the hand. If you raise and SB calls you know he might be bluffing. If he rr you know he's not.

[tyler_cracker]

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Find out where you are while it's cheap.

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this is a terrible reason to raise.

[TheCount212]

Phil Hellmuth would disagree.

[gobbledygeek]

Preflop (10 players): Hero is UTG with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop (5 players, 10 SB): A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, Button folds, SB calls

Turn (3 players, 8 BB): T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, Hero bets...

So I raised the flop cuz that's pretty much what I always do flopping TPTK. At this point I'm pretty much forced into leading the turn because I can't allow free draws. And if not raised, I pretty much have to lead a non-spade river cuz I'll be calling one bet anyways so I might as well lead. The problem is that at a weak passive table someone could easily be calling me down with 2 pairs or a set and not raising me (where I could possibly slow down or perhaps even fold) due to being scared of the flush; still ok?

Gbettingopponentshandsforthemismybusinessandbusine ssisgoodG

[LrdNikon]

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this is a terrible reason to raise.

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Can you explain this to me?

Maybe I misunderstand the concept, but when you say raise for value, are you saying put money in while we are ahead and get opponent to commit money when behind?

If we are raising for value, aren't we getting information as well? Like if SB calls and checks, or if he 3 bets and continues showing aggression...

So am I making the right decision, just for the wrong reasons? Would you agree with the rest of the play in my post?

[tyler_cracker]

i'm not sure what the question is. keep betting until someone does something.

[tyler_cracker]

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Phil Hellmuth would disagree.

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lol!

phil hellmuth is terrible at LHE and his book is roundly considered to be awful. you really need to read SSH. you will look back at this post in 6 weeks and oh the laugh we will share.