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Old 11-21-2007, 09:34 PM
jj12 jj12 is offline
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Default putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

Villain is 24/14/4 over 1000 hands. This sesh (100 hands) he is on some kind of agro rampage. Here are some hands from his play:

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $378.98
CO: $2253.12
Button: $1324.25
SB: $1139.5
Hero: $1067

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $130</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $350</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1047</font>,
<font color="#cc0000">SB folds</font>.

The hand above happens 5 hands after I sat down (altho he knows that I am a 21/18 tag that is aggro pre).
In another hand in SB vs BB: He opens I repop AQs he pushes.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
3 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $2207.02
SB: $495.95
BB: $1769

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $33</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $135</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $462.95</font>, BB calls.
He is BB here and has Ad5d.

Besides being on an agro rampage I kept winning hands on the flop vs him. The last 3 hands we've seen flop I've taken it away. 2 times legitametly and one time I 3-bet his bs check raise on a 3sTh2h board. So I feel this guy is getting very frustrated by me.

Now on to the hand:
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $660.5
Button: $1889.8
SB: $1592.15
Hero: $1971.02

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $35</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($70, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $70</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $240</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $1552.15</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $3174.3


I feel that raising and getting it in is better than flatting because of the overagro history (esp on flop). His push kinda scares me because he is probably not bluffing (altho he could be tilt shoving overs).
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:50 PM
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Default Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

"His push kinda scares me because he is probably not bluffing"

Umm, then fold? This is based too much on the flow of the game IMO but either way you're probably getting it in as about a 50/50 or a big dog. So id prob fold, but it is close
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

tramb. the guy seems on tilt and he is instapushing and instacalling a lot. can I really fold this? I mean the idiot could be putting it in with A8 or 34 offsuit. Also I was expecting him to at least three-bet my raise as a rebluff (I was shoving over this).
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

did some equity calc:

Wins Ties Equity
51.05% 0.44% 51.50% ( 88+,22,55,A8, 34, 67, AdKd-Ad2d, KdQd-Kd5d, QdJd-Qd8d,JdTd-Jd8d, 9d8d-5d4d,9d7d-6d4d )
48.06% 0.44% 48.50% ( TcTd )

w/o A8

Wins Ties Equity
54.45% 0.49% 54.94% ( 88+,22,55, 34, 67, AdKd-Ad2d, KdQd-Kd5d, QdJd-Qd8d,JdTd-Jd8d, 9d8d-5d4d,9d7d-6d4d )
44.57% 0.49% 45.06% ( TcTd )
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

seems like the easiest preflop 3 bet ever
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

3-betting preflop is probably the best way to go.

As played, on the flop, I'm not a huge fan of your raise. He's already shown discipline in is aggressiveness by folding when the jig is up. Why not call him down and let him implode?
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:31 PM
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Default Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

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seems like the easiest preflop 3 bet ever

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3-betting pre sux because:
a) what do you do when 4-bet cuz i feel it's comming. 3-betting pre allows him to put us in [censored] spot with a lot of overcard hands.
b) what do you do if he calls and the flop comes Q high? you cbet and get c/raised. I think you should be checking behind. So on most flops you will have a bloated pot where it will be hard to extract value.
c) calling allows us to bluff-call on 1-overcard flops and raise undercard flops and get a 3-bet bluff from him.I love to see a flop vs this guy since this is the street where i've been beating on him the most.
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Old 11-22-2007, 11:37 AM
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Default Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

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seems like the easiest preflop 3 bet ever

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Old 11-22-2007, 04:38 AM
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Default Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

Ok well the problem is you seem to contradict yourself in a few places in an effort to lead everyone to say "ya you played it fine cooler" People are saying 3 bet because he has shown a propensity to get it in light with the A5 hand. You will also have position on him with what figures to be the best hand, so why not raise? If i am calling this pre, its to play it conservatively and to show him just because im calling doesnt mean i cant have a hand for later hands.

I am 3 betting this a ton vs this type of player. I don't think i'd raise this flop with out the intent of getting it in, which i wouldn't be too happy about. His range is big draws, pairs and draws, sets, or maybe like AA or KK or whatever. This range is hateful toward your hand. The fact that you are willing to get it in here like this for 150 bb and not reraise preflop means that he is using his image better than you are using it against him.

summary: reraise preflop, if you dont want to do that, dont reraise this flop unless you really are willing to get it in. He has not shown in any of those hands of letting someone else take the lead without them being all in. He wasnt going to call, then check call a bet or two with 89. Thats not how he rolls and you have to adapt to that.
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Old 11-22-2007, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL

I think 87 is superlight not 10s.
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