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12-01-2007, 08:10 PM
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Re: FT200 Puking in the river
What do we think villain has to make this a call guys????? We sure did play it weak but I can't see what villain calls the flop with and decides to overshove river with that we beat.
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#2
12-01-2007, 08:11 PM
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Re: FT200 Puking in the river
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bet the turn. as played, i think you have to call as you played it so weak up to now [/ QUOTE ] I cant stand these statements - provide a range and plzzzz dont tell me that he ever ever has AJ here. If hes value betting we r definitely behind. [ QUOTE ] i assume that you're thinking is that such a large bet is either the nuts or air? If Villain is good, then fold. Unless you think Villain is good enough to turn a pair into a bluff, but even then would he really shove...wouldn't he just make a 3/4-pot size bet? If Villain is bad, then you still need to suggest a hand that is bluffing the river...86? [/ QUOTE ] if villain is pretty good and therefore capable of bluff overbetting with a missed straight draw then id call fwiw. I dont think he is though since he should probably be shoving the flop with most of his draws and almost certainly betting the turn with them unless hero is a habitual turn trapper.
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#3
12-01-2007, 08:10 PM
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Re: FT200 Puking in the river
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Tough, I think his low AF makes this quite a tough call.. odd for him to bluff shove the river and not just bet $100. I think I call just cos we under-repped so much and have TP in a 3b pot, but I really dont expect to be good too often :s [/ QUOTE ] Gibberish. I dont understand y ur not betting the turn... as played id fold the river against most opponents. He'd have to be overbet bluffing with 108s or J10s for u to be good IMO (I dont think he ever overbet shoves for value with worse), however.... if u think that hed shove a fd in a 3bet pot on the flop (very possible although its also possible hed smoothcall because he has position) than u have to look him up IMO since hes betting the turn with two pair or better almost always and that 3 couldnt have changed anything so hed have been drawing to a straight. So, what i'm saying is that I think given the turn and river play he almost always has a draw, straight draw missed and is the more likely one for cold calling the flop since its disguised, but.... flush hit and he couldve cold called flop in position and now that it hit and he overbet shoves i'd fold and make a note that he might rep flushes with missed straight draws and overbet them. Once again though, get it in on the turn.
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#4
12-01-2007, 11:09 PM
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Re: FT200 Puking in the river
question: why were you going into this river planning to check/fold?
also, i don't mind a turn check at all (if you were planning to crai), but once the turn checks through, i'm value betting this river.
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#6
12-02-2007, 02:56 AM
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Re: FT200 Puking in the river
Yeh this is a [censored] river. [censored] board the whole way, and personally I think you have to fold this. I think the turn c/r you planned is definitely the best option against this type of opponent. His stats don't seem too aggressive but people seem to overplay their hands in 3bet pots. I don't see what you are beating here imo and this is fold.
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