I don't like my QQ much.

[Wolfram]

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What if this was a regular 20/16, decent TAG, type?
(actually, this makes the call easier I think)

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It really depends on his 3-bet calling range and his post flop tendencies. Does he (mistakenly) call 3-bets with small pp's for set-value? If so, then we lose a bit of equity. Does he call with 56s and try to outplay you post flop. If so, then we gain value.

But the big question is if he goes broke here with TPTK or not. That could possibly skew it from a call to a fold.

[deaders]

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I did some stoving.

We have to call $130 to win $270, meaning we need 32.5% equity for a call to be neutral EV.

If we give him a reasonably tight range we still have a profitable call:


35,640 games 0.005 secs 7,128,000 games/sec

Board: Jh 4h 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.446% 33.12% 01.33% 11804 472.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 65.554% 64.23% 01.33% 22891 472.50 { JJ+, 44-33, AhKh, AhQh, AJs, AJo }

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And that is a very conservative range. Im never folding QQ on this flop vs an unknown.

[BGnight]

O.k. so calling>folding here vs unknown. I should have known hardly anyone would push JJJ here, so I coulda narrowed his range more in my favor. I've been a little extra nitty starting out sessions since I've been running/playing like ass this week.

[Valerio]

Having put 15% of your stack in preflop, calling is the play here.

[ofishstix]

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O.k. so calling>folding here vs unknown. I should have known hardly anyone would push JJJ here, so I coulda narrowed his range more in my favor. I've been a little extra nitty starting out sessions since I've been running/playing like ass this week.

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isnt shoving JJJ here standard??

and wolfram, i was joking about being a nit/weak tight. i still typically fold here b/c everytime i call im behind.

[Jamougha]

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and wolfram, i was joking about being a nit/weak tight. i still typically fold here b/c everytime i call im behind.

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Well if you're a weak tight nit then obviously you're always going to be behind when you call here.

[BGnight]

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O.k. so calling>folding here vs unknown. I should have known hardly anyone would push JJJ here, so I coulda narrowed his range more in my favor. I've been a little extra nitty starting out sessions since I've been running/playing like ass this week.

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isnt shoving JJJ here standard??

and wolfram, i was joking about being a nit/weak tight. i still typically fold here b/c everytime i call im behind.

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Most randoms like to slowplay sets I figured, but yeah ur prob. right.

[Noam Chomsky]

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hahah interesting all the Party players are saying call [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I play on Stars and I would never fold this without a very specific read.

[FGators]

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I call. To many draws and Jx hands that you beat to be able to fold imo.

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what draws? AKhh and AQhh. And in terms of the Jx hands he can only have AJ and I don't typically put unknowns on the bottom of their range as a rule of thumb.

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I'm calling this.

What makes you say an unknown that BG hasn't seen a lot (and BG plays a lot) has such a tight range.

It's random hearts, a non set pocket pair that puts BG on AK, a lone jack,etc. enough to call here.

[keikiwai]

this is def. a call

i mean yeah you're behind JJ now, but there are str8 and flush draws on board, and getting jiggy w/ QQ pf and folding on a flop w/ no overcards is kind of spewy