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Old 04-25-2007, 02:47 AM
Clever Nickname Clever Nickname is offline
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Default 200NL - Fold a boat?

No real reads on this villian, other than he hasn't done anything that makes him seem like a terrible donk yet. I've only been at this table with him for maybe two orbits. Usually I'm raising his limp here preflop but I was in a 250bb pot on another table and not paying a terrible amount of attention.

His line certainly looks very, very strong, but... it's 200NL, and I have a boat!

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $179.85
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $200</font>
UTG: $264.50
BTN: $117.80

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
2 folds, SB calls $1, Hero checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($4) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $8</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20</font>, SB calls $12

<font color="black">River:</font> ($44) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $157.85</font>, Hero calls $127.85

Pot Size: $359.70 ($2 Rake)

If you put any weight on table talk, he said this after I 3-bet the turn:

termy888 said, "hit a set again"
termy888 said, "lol"
termy888 said, "oh well"
termy888 said, "I donate"

After shoving the river:
termy888 said, "ok good nite all"

Does anyone play different here? Thoughts appreciated.
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Old 04-25-2007, 02:55 AM
Dire Dire is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - Fold a boat?

Hard to see much you're ahead of besides some extremely stupidly played big pocket. Even 9T got there.
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Old 04-25-2007, 03:18 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - Fold a boat?

im not getting away from this
also, the only hand that he can have here that makes him NOT a bad player (maybe) is T9, bc raising with TT 99 44 are superstandard here
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:26 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - Fold a boat?

10-9 is really all I'm worried about here. If he has 9/4--and he well could have since he was in the SB--he played like a fool and that's poker, as they say. Don't know why anyone would limp with 44 short-handed unless they plain don't know what they're doing. Of course at these stakes, again, that's entirely possible. It's negative equity in the long run if you worry too much though.

Not sure I raise with under-full here when board pairs on the end. Given there were no obvious monster draws, he had to have hit that flop and/or turn pretty hard to make those plays .. well unless he's bluffing.

4-handed I don't see how you get away from this. You might get away in a full ring game if it had been a limped multi-way pot depending on table image of opponent.

So what happened?
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:31 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - Fold a boat?

the way he played this hand just looks really bad all around, this guy definitely sucks and therefore could be doing this with a bigger range than a boat, why is he not reraising the turn with T9 or a set??? this just doest make sense, i think you have to call
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:44 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - Fold a boat?

i don't hate a fold
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - Fold a boat?

I wouldn't hate a fold either. However, do we know if he'd play A9/K9 this way?

Also your 3-bet on the turn needs to be bigger.
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:58 AM
antisocialgrace antisocialgrace is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - Fold a boat?

I thought about A/9 also, but how stupid would a person have to be to check the flop with SPTK out of position?
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:10 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - Fold a boat?

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Not sure I raise with under-full here when board pairs on the end.

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I dunno, I feel like not raising in this situation and letting him see a showdown for $2 is missing out on a lot of value.

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So what happened?

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He had T9.
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:29 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - Fold a boat?

Your raise isn't a bad play, many players would make it, especially short handed. I'm just kind of cautious when someone is re-popping a limped pot with a rainbow-rag board that pairs on the end. What hand would they bet that way? At these stakes it's usually at least 2 pair on the turn.

10-9 wasn't played optimally here, but it wasn't played that much out of the ordinary either.
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