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Old 07-12-2007, 11:02 PM
Jim14Qc Jim14Qc is offline
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Default NL200 QQ semi-deep on low board

Villain is 27/17/3, no specific read I'm going to try to establish a range and check it out in pokerstove, but am looking for any input on the hand. Can/should I be folding that?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $203.00
Hero (BB): $294.45
UTG: $193.00
CO: $415.85
BTN: $195.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $28.00</font>, CO calls $21.00

Flop: ($57) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $40.00</font>, CO calls $40.00

Turn: ($137) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $70.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $140.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $226.45</font>
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:06 PM
Jim14Qc Jim14Qc is offline
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Default Re: NL200 QQ semi-deep on low board

Here are some numbers. Anyone think this range is accurate?

Hand 0: 52.579% 47.62% 04.96% 1320 137.50 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 47.421% 42.46% 04.96% 1177 137.50 { 99+, 55-22, AdKd, AhKh, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, 6s5s, T9o }

My smallish bet on the turn was intended to keep weak overpairs (88-JJ) in the pot.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:06 PM
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Default Re: NL200 QQ semi-deep on low board

Im probably giving this hand up on the turn (RIO) by check / folding, but I'm definetely giving it up after getting c/r.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:08 PM
Jim14Qc Jim14Qc is offline
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Default Re: NL200 QQ semi-deep on low board

hes in position, so it's not a c/r. Does that affect your thinking?
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:12 PM
Nthnuts Nthnuts is offline
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Default Re: NL200 QQ semi-deep on low board

I think the flush draws are more likely to get aggressive on the flop and i can't picture those hands min-raising. 99-JJ seem pretty optimistic given the action, I think we need to give this up on the turn.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:13 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: NL200 QQ semi-deep on low board

I think we should be checking this turn. Sometimes to fold sometimes to call.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:53 PM
mce86 mce86 is offline
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Default Re: NL200 QQ semi-deep on low board

I cant see folding here. Range seems pretty wide...ahead here more than behind imo.
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Old 07-13-2007, 02:45 AM
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Default Re: NL200 QQ semi-deep on low board

I do not think he min raises you on the turn with a smaller over pair, possible a set and or AK suited, i had a similar hand come up the other day and made the same mistake to push but think about it, he raised you 3 bet he called you bet flop he called then you bet turn which is a very very strong line he prolly dose not think he has much fold equity i don't think he is making a play i think it is a clear fold. be interested to see what he had.
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Old 07-13-2007, 06:47 AM
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Default Re: NL200 QQ semi-deep on low board

I think that the range you have given him is way too wide. All Axdd hands will make a move on that flop figuring that they have at least an overcard and a flush outs as well as alot of FE consideing you peolly need KK+ to call a shove. He has called a 3bet pre so by pushing the flop he knows you will be hard pressed to call with a hand like QQ.

My thoughts above are strengthened when he min raises you on the turn. This is hardly ever a bluff and is always done with a hand he figures to be best. Depepnding on what type of player he is this could include 99-JJ which is about the only hands you beat that he plays this way.

I don't mind leading the turn sometimes against certain players however this is a clear fold for me on the turn.
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