Top 2 vs Passive player going nuts

ftavatar · #1 06-03-2007, 03:24 PM

Hi all,
i've just started using the forums so any advice would be great! i'l try and give my two cents worth on other posts but not sure it's even worth that much.

Usually for me a no brainer but Vil is VVV passive. i have him running at 31/8 with a Post flop AF of 0.4. Never seen him take this line before. What is a Very passive players range here and should i be thinking about folding (or at least not instacalling!)

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($161.65)
Hero ($126.15)
UTG ($45.45)
MP ($34)
CO ($101.70)
Button (Vil) ($120.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button (Vil) calls $1, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Vil bets $2.5, Hero raises to $8, Vil raises to $119.8 (All-In), Hero calls $111.80.

Turn: ($242.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($242.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $242.10

zaephyr · #2 06-03-2007, 03:29 PM

Dont go broke in unraised pots and add his AF factor this is fold imo.

And converter is messed up as it seems => btn bets into BB on flop

ftavatar · #3 06-03-2007, 03:42 PM

tyty. dont know why i didn;t think of that mantra at the time. will try and get the converter working [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

tuuufts · #4 06-03-2007, 04:07 PM

Has vill been running bad or getting pushed around at the table? It doesn't look like he wants a call, his stats don't indicate that he's a tricky player... guys start to pull this move against me with any piece if I've been active. I'm not folding here unless I have a very solid read.

Colombo · #5 06-03-2007, 04:10 PM

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Dont go broke in unraised pots and add his AF factor this is fold imo.

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I think the "Don't go broke in unraised pots" saying is pretty terrible. I mean, if you have a hand, you have a hand. With top 2 on this board I felt everytime.

Mahtimies · #6 06-03-2007, 04:14 PM

I don't like hero folds against donks. This can be a FD with or without overs, also donks often slowplay AA/KK preflop and think its the nuts in an unraised pot. Looks fine to me.

SpecT · #7 06-03-2007, 04:18 PM

man... at first i thort 44/8Tss/QTss but do u think he could be doing this with AA/KK? I've seen dudes like this limp preflop 'cos they dont people to fold' then go frigin crazy on the flop and felt it no matter how deep they are.

i still say fold though [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Nick Royale · #8 06-03-2007, 04:24 PM

Easy call. Villain could easily have the nut fd, oesd or some other combo draw. There's only 5 combos you're behind of, you certainly cannot fold. I wouldn't be suprised if villain shows up with AA/KK a fair bit either (even though you obviously lost this.

DCWildcat · #9 06-03-2007, 04:25 PM

Call. Donks show do this with stupid [censored] all the time, regardless of stack size.

All_Inn_Aces · #10 06-03-2007, 04:26 PM

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man... at first i thort 44/8Tss/QTss but do u think he could be doing this with AA/KK? I've seen dudes like this limp preflop 'cos they dont people to fold' then go frigin crazy on the flop and felt it no matter how deep they are.

i still say fold though [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Yeah a massive commbo draaw sounds about right for player this passive and such a big bet