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Old 10-13-2007, 10:52 AM
KvGalen KvGalen is offline
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Default Re: Three bet squeeze with ak gets donkey kong\'d

If you push you have a little bit of fold equity, 25% equity when called and its good for metagame.
meh still an easy fold
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:01 AM
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Default Re: Three bet squeeze with ak gets donkey kong\'d

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If you push you have a little bit of fold equity

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Do you mean like 0.0000001^20 %?
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: Three bet squeeze with ak gets donkey kong\'d

This looks like a really easy fold, and there's no way you're folding out QQ. Going by your stats he might not even raise QQ UTG.
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: Three bet squeeze with ak gets donkey kong\'d

for the record i shove cause i didnt have stats up and thought i had more fold equity he call with qq turn 4 obv gg.
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:16 AM
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Default Re: Three bet squeeze with ak gets donkey kong\'d

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If you push you have a little bit of fold equity

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Do you mean like 0.0000001^20 %?

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I think you might be overestimating that against a range of QQ, KK cos he has one of them
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:31 AM
KvGalen KvGalen is offline
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Default Re: Three bet squeeze with ak gets donkey kong\'d

He has to fold more than 1/3 of the time for this shove to be +ev:

Board: 4c 4d 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.232% 27.47% 00.76% 130560 3600.00 { AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 71.768% 71.01% 00.76% 337440 3600.00 { QQ-88 }

I think AA en KK are very unlikely because of your hand and the way the hand was played.
When you shove and he calls you put 386$ in a pot of 530$. You have 28% equity in a 916$ pot which equals 256$, so you lose 130$ when he calls.
When you shove and he folds you win 288$.
He has to fold roughly 1/3 of the time. But he doesn't, so fold.
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:58 AM
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Default Re: Three bet squeeze with ak gets donkey kong\'d

dont discount AA and KK, but do discount 88-JJ

we're crushed here like every time, shoving is downrignt awful.

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fold, i almost want to overcall or fold preflop.

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Old 10-13-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: Three bet squeeze with ak gets donkey kong\'d

Shoving here is pretty gross. He almost never folds out and we have, at best, 7 outs twice when called. When he leads out for the pot like this, he is intending to go the distance with his hand and isn't considering mucking 77 thru TT, etc, which was presumably your goal of shoving.
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:03 PM
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Shoving here is pretty gross. He almost never folds out and we have, at best, 7 outs twice when called. When he leads out for the pot like this, he is intending to go the distance with his hand and isn't considering mucking 77 thru TT, etc, which was presumably your goal of shoving.

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disagreeaments that 77-TT isn't considering folding even if he's donkey enough to pot the flop. doesn't mean he won't do it anyways, but he'll consider unless he's aggrodonkey which this guy wasnt.
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:05 PM
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Default Re: Three bet squeeze with ak gets donkey kong\'d

77-TT definitely isnt folding after leading pot on flop.
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