Deep Stack vs. Deep Stack

[Pocono Drew]

Sorry guys no hand converter. This was from tonight's sportsbook.com 100K.

250 left. Average stack 11K.

I've seen villain raise with suited connector PF and hit. I have also seen him make an all-in call with TPWK on a scary board.

Here's the hand:

Blinds: 200/400/50

UTG Folds.
Villian (24500) (UTG+1) raises to 2250.
folds to Hero in CO with T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero (27000) calls 2250.

Everyone else folds.
Pot is 5600.

Flop is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain bets 5600.

Hero?

[tedtodd]

Does he always open to >4bb? How often is he raising?

I usually put 4bb raise on a 88-JJ type hand. Depends on your read on this guy though.

Calling puts you in a [censored] spot on the turn if you miss, and implied odds suck because it's not very well disguised.

Reraising allin will only get called by better hands. But atleast you'd have some outs. He doesn't have a set. I think his most likely holding is JJ, and I doubt he lays it down.

If this is his standard PF raise, then I shove. If not, then I fold.

[Mench]

yeah his full pot preflop irks me a bit, but i shove this flop all day. when called we have 10 outs most often, and he can also fold his missed AK AQ a good amount, as well as other small PPs, which a lot of bad players tend to pot pre and post.

[eBo]

Raise to 15,000. If he pushes you call.

[Sykes]

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Raise to 15,000. If he pushes you call.

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that's gross.

[Todd Terry]

I also would like to know whether the preflop raise size and post-flop bet size are abnormal for Villain, but at the end of the day I can't see it making an ultimate difference in what I would do. It would just make me feel more or less uneasy about doing it.

This is a tough spot, but I just can't see doing anything other than shoving here. By doing so, you're putting him in an extremely tough spot (unless he flopped a set -- in which case you still have 10 outs), since 3 cards came out that could have hit your set range. JJ is the worst hand for you to be facing here and probably has to call, but you just can't fold an overpair, with 10 likely outs if you're behind, at this juncture. Shove and get there.

[Pocono Drew]

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I also would like to know whether the preflop raise size and post-flop bet size are abnormal for Villain, but at the end of the day I can't see it making an ultimate difference in what I would do. It would just make me feel more or less uneasy about doing it.

This is a tough spot, but I just can't see doing anything other than shoving here. By doing so, you're putting him in an extremely tough spot (unless he flopped a set -- in which case you still have 10 outs), since 3 cards came out that could have hit your set range. JJ is the worst hand for you to be facing here and probably has to call, but you just can't fold an overpair, with 10 likely outs if you're behind, at this juncture. Shove and get there.

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I shoved and didn't get there. Villian had KK. I was crippled.
All of his raises were about the same. I thought his pot sized bet screamed AK to me and I was hoping he didn't want to mix it up with another big stack. I knew it was shove or fold. I just couldn't find a fold knowing I had 10 outs to an overpair (except JJ) and his range at WORST was 88-AA, AJ+. If I win this pot I have a top 5 stack so I shipped it in.

Thanks for all of your responses. I seem to be building my stack pretty good lately then blowing up like this. I've been questioning my play lately and with hands like this, wondering if there is a way to get away from it.

Thanks,
Pocono Drew

[Kala1928]

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Raise to 15,000. If he pushes you call.

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that's gross.

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Its the exact same thing as raising all-in except you might in a rare occasion get the villain to shove allin with hands he would fold to all-in.