Luck vs. Skill test...

[drunkencowboy]

as useless as your point is, i still disagree that it is 100%. there is luck and it will affect the outcome. shoot, after $1,000,000 hands at $1 blinds, the guy who sat down with Ivey might actually learn and become better than Phil before the match is over...

ps. if you read the above post, i edited it. i like you fine jackaaron im not trying to be a dick and i know i have been. i cant help it.

[fraac]

Do you know what 'begging the question' means, Jack? It's commonly misused. It's the logical fallacy of which you're guilty in this thread. Ask Sklanners.

[jackaaron]

Actually, I think I found a major flaw in this test.

Now, although Ivey would obviously win the match described in the first post, one could argue that he actually got lucky, and this breaks the test down completely, doesn't it? So, even though I'm 100% sure that Ivey would win I couldn't prove that he didn't win with luck.

gg poker as skill dominated? I really want to find a test that proves it's dominated by skill though.

[fraac]

You could be big enough to admit who found the flaw, you bloody arsehole.

[jackaaron]

I think that you might have found it first...although I didn't know you did until after I posted. It's a matter of seconds....

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[fraac]

People like you make me hate people I haven't even met.

[jackaaron]

fraac, just shut the frick up.

[Daisydog]

If your goal is to show that it is possible for at least some form of poker to be played with skill, then I think this is easy to do. You don't even need to make up hypothetical situations. I did the following 15 minutes ago:

Using Wilson's Turbo Texas Hold Em, I simulated a heads up limit hold em battle of 100,000 hands using two different player profiles and noted who won. I repeated this 10 more times and observed that the same player won all 10 subsequent heads up matches.

If these heads up matches were all luck, they would be coin flips and the chance that the same player would win all ten subsequent matches would be .5^10 = .00098. This should be enough evidence that at least this game of poker is not all luck.

[fraac]

Luck versus skill is a red herring anyway. Anyone who said it's an important legal point is misdirecting you. Poker is hated by some US politicians and judges because they're lunatic moralists or because it allows money to leave America. I don't know of a third reason.

[Daisydog]

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Luck versus skill is a red herring anyway. Anyone who said it's an important legal point is misdirecting you. Poker is hated by some US politicians and judges because they're lunatic moralists or because it allows money to leave America. I don't know of a third reason.

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This has absolutely nothing to do with my post.