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Old 11-20-2007, 01:41 PM
olivier olivier is offline
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Default Shove turn or take the free card?

very agressive table, lots of 3-bets at this moment.
AA and AK are obviously in vilain's range and he's not folding them. I think that QQ, JJ and AQ are at least in his range too.
Do you bet turn or take the free card?

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $638.40
Hero (MP): $394
CO: $214.10
BTN: $218
SB: $162
BB: $488

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $45</font>, Hero calls $33

Flop: ($92) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $70</font>, Hero calls $70

Turn: ($232) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $279 and is All-In</font>?
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:09 PM
Knock*u*down Knock*u*down is offline
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Default Re: Shove turn or take the free card?

bet turn is horrible imho. Fist of you are dead to AK AA KK KQ . Even when he is holding QQ AQ etc you have some bluff potential on the river if you miss. Imho bet turn is pure spew.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:16 PM
Marwan Marwan is offline
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Default Re: Shove turn or take the free card?

If he's been 3-betting you a ton and his range is wide I'd just shove flop.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: Shove turn or take the free card?

why not shove the perfect flop?
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:21 PM
Knock*u*down Knock*u*down is offline
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Default Re: Shove turn or take the free card?

not very smart imho since it is stated that alot of 3betting going on so BB can easily assume that buttons calling raise is very wide in position which could lead to quite a few calls . When that happens shoving flop is obvious horrible ev wise
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:26 PM
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Default Re: Shove turn or take the free card?

WTF, u think everything that involves a raise is horrible. you must be the most passive player on earth.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:34 PM
Knock*u*down Knock*u*down is offline
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Default Re: Shove turn or take the free card?

why attack me personally ? Can you at least try to make an argument instead of just insulting me. Also i am not a passive player but blind aggression without a reason is still not any good.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: Shove turn or take the free card?

go back and read the OP and pay attention to the game dynamics description. if you can't figure it out i'm not gonna throw you a bone.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: Shove turn or take the free card?

so please do that then. curious to hear ur thoughts
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: Shove turn or take the free card?

[ QUOTE ]
why attack me personally ? Can you at least try to make an argument instead of just insulting me. Also i am not a passive player but blind aggression without a reason is still not any good.

[/ QUOTE ]

OP shouldn't be calling preflop unless the villain is 3 betting with a wide range, thus cbetting this flop with a range wider than AK AA KK etc.

If he's not, we're calling preflop without getting implied odds with a blah hand. If you flop big with it against the villains wide range, a shove on the flop is somewhat standard...
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