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Old 11-30-2007, 10:03 AM
sm3k3ras sm3k3ras is offline
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Default AQo on the bubble

Don't be harsh on me, this is my first post.
Why is calling here so terrible?
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:29 AM
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Default Re: AQo on the bubble

depends on what range you ve set for the utg-pusher.
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:32 AM
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Default Re: AQo on the bubble

He has 13.7 for the shover.

OP, we don't win enough vs that range and are eliminated when we lose.
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:37 AM
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Default Re: AQo on the bubble

When you bust out 4th you will lose ~1.5 times as much money (EV) than what you would gain by winning the all in. So you need ~60% equity, against his range you only have ~53% equity.
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: AQo on the bubble

Looks like an ez call, what am I missing.
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:39 AM
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Default Re: AQo on the bubble

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Looks like an ez call, what am I missing.

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The ranges assigned by the OP.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: AQo on the bubble

Even when he shoves ATC it is -0.11!
Why?
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:28 AM
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Default Re: AQo on the bubble

Because ICM cannot be thought or felt usually [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Here you just have to call imo though because situation would only get worse and this is your biggest ev possible in nearest rounds. With big stack ahead your pushing possibilities are little, and with 2 shortstacks behind your bb would be always pushed, and this is probably best hand in nearest hands.

If someone thinks we should fold where i wonder do you expect to gain +ev spots.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:23 PM
RexWoo RexWoo is offline
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Default Re: AQo on the bubble

Q : calling is so bad here.

OP : also you can play with SB / BB calling ranges. If you set them to 0 or close, I suppose the call become a little better.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: AQo on the bubble

-3% ev is about as bad as it gets normally [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

You can't call here. You need a pair. How big depends on your read. AK is a fold. Readless you have to fold unless you specifically know he makes this shove with A-rag only I suppose.

This is super-important in SnGs. Examine ICM, why exactly it is like that, why you cannot call when you are confident you have the best hand, etc etc. ICM tells you your stack value in $ dollars in relation to the prizepool If you do the math on your own you'll have a revelation. Find an ICM calc, figure out $EV(call) and $EV(fold), calculate your hand against his range and see if folding is better than calling. Also recognize how pot odds can't be applied the way they would in cashgame or MTT (ICM does apply in MTT but not as much).

Instafold AK on the bubble if you have a good stack and you think villain is a steal but it's many BB to call. You'll achieve much better results.

Sorry if I repeat anything that's been said above which is likely.
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