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Old 11-27-2007, 03:58 AM
SweetSchollen SweetSchollen is offline
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Default Weird situation at Caesars

I was playing at the 1/2 table at Caesar's in AC when I saw this situation happen.

On the river of a hand, villian bets approximately 1/3 of his remaining chips. The other player in the hand begins contemplating. Villian says "Come on I need to get out of here, fold already" and proceeds to put the rest of his stack in his pocket. The other player thinks another minute or two and proceeds to fold. The dealer says nothing about villian putting the chips in his pocket.

My question is: what would happen if the other player raised the villian's bet after he took those chips off the table and put them in his pocket? Would he be treated as all in? Would he be allowed to call the raise with the chips in his pockets? What if before he didn't have that much on the table but had enough in his pockets to call? Does anyone have any experience with this kind of situation? I wish this had actually happened so that the villian would have been reprimanded for doing that, he was pretty much a drunk jerk anyway.

Thanks for any clarification you can offer.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:39 AM
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He has to play the chips that were on the table when the hand started.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:41 AM
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He has to play the chips that were on the table when the hand started.

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Old 11-27-2007, 10:02 AM
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He has to play the chips that were on the table when the hand started.

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Yes, which is why the dealer is unacceptably negligent here.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:28 AM
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He has to play the chips that were on the table when the hand started.

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Yes, which is why the dealer is unacceptably negligent here.

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Little harsh on the dealer aren't we?
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:30 AM
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He has to play the chips that were on the table when the hand started.

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Yes, which is why the dealer is unacceptably negligent here.

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Little harsh on the dealer aren't we?

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Maybe the tone and word selection was harsh, but that doesn't make it less true. It is entirely possible that if the other player had raised, the dealer would have required the villain to put his chips back on the table if he wanted to call.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:35 AM
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He has to play the chips that were on the table when the hand started.

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Yes, which is why the dealer is unacceptably negligent here.

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Little harsh on the dealer aren't we?

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Maybe the tone and word selection was harsh, but that doesn't make it less true. It is entirely possible that if the other player had raised, the dealer would have required the villain to put his chips back on the table if he wanted to call.

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Yes, but it that such a big deal? If he gets raised, he either puts his chips back in play or folds. I don't see any reason for the dealer to panic because the chips came off the table. Obviously it would be better if the chips stayed on the table but negligent is way too harsh a term.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:40 AM
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How many chips does he then put back into play though? All the chips in his pocket, including any that were already there? As many chips as he feels like taking back out? If he's got the nuts and the guy pushes does he get to take out that extra $200 he has in there to win more money? If the guy raises and he's got a mediocre hand does he only pull out half of what he took off?

The dealer is definitely negligent here because the dealer has just made it impossible to know how much the guy actually has, it's just turned into a guessing game. Allowing a player to rathole in the middle of the hand? Yeah, I'd say that qualifies as negligent if the dealer saw it happen.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:50 AM
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Floor.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:56 PM
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The dealer is definitely negligent here because the dealer has just made it impossible to know how much the guy actually has, it's just turned into a guessing game. Allowing a player to rathole in the middle of the hand? Yeah, I'd say that qualifies as negligent if the dealer saw it happen.


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What would you like for the dealer to do? He saw it happen as it was happening. I am certain if he knew it was about to happen he would have told the guy not to do it.
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