NL400: bluff river in 4-way pot?

[Lucid1]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($400)
UTG ($466.50)
MP ($398)
Hero ($394)
SB ($837.16)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 5.
UTG calls $4, [color=#CC3333]MP raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $16, SB calls $14, BB calls $12, UTG calls $12.

Flop: ($80) 3, 2, 6 [color=#0000FF](5 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]BB bets $20</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $20, Hero calls $20, SB calls $20.

Turn: ($160) K [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]BB bets $28</font>, MP calls $28, Hero calls $28, SB calls $28.

River: ($272) 3 [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero goes all-in.


My reads:

- I just sat down at the table, I have 0 stats on anyone. I'm guessing at least one of the other players is donkish/loose-passive based on the action in this hand, but other than that I know nothing...

On the flop:

- I call because the bet is small, I might have the best hand, and I have a gutshot.

On turn:

- Same as flop

On river:

- Draws didn't hit, everyone checks, and I think it's unlikely that they'd all check to me if any of them has anything worth calling a big bet with.

- On the other hand, I think it's likely that I won't get credit for a very good hand here, since most reasonable players would raise a good hand before the river on this draw-heavy board.

- Then again, I'm probably an unknown on this table, and I could easily be a donk with some kind of 2 pair, trips, or a weird slowplayed straight or full house, besides it's a tough call with any one pair type hand, right?


Is it worth it, or will I be bluffing with the best hand often enough and getting called often enough that checking behind would be better?

And if betting is good, would a smaller bet that looks like it "wants to be called" be better than what I did (overbet the pot about 25%-30% by going all-in, or will this result in getting called by K-type hands and 1010+ hands too often?)

[Dustinup]

youre a nice stupid donkey - can i have your screen name pls?

[Zaid_Ahmed]

Wow

[David1234]

lol

[Lucid1]

wtf?

Is it really that bad?

[BobboFitos]

raise the flop, fold to an all in

[Zaid_Ahmed]

The sick thing is you're probably beating these games.

[Lucid1]

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The sick thing is you're probably beating these games.

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Yup, and the funny thing is I've probably played many more hands than you too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

(If the date you registered here is anywhere near the date you started playing winning poker)

I might be retarded, but I'm making money [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Lucid1]

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raise the flop, fold to an all in

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I guess that might be a better line.

The reason I didn't do it was because I didn't want to give anyone the chance to semibluff reraise me (i mean, it's pretty likely that someone is on a draw here, right?), but I guess you're right that it might be a better way to play it.

But is the line I took really that horrible?

I mean, the options on the flop are call or raise, right?

My call on the turn might be questionable, but when I called I did so thinking that I might bluff the river some of the time (since noone seemed to want to play a big pot) and/or that my implied odds might be semi-decent.

When I got to the river, I was close to checking behind, but I didn't like the chance someone with a hand like 67 or 88 might win it that way.

I mean, even a hand like KQ should have a problem calling that riverbet, right?

Do people really checkraise/call rivers like this often enough that bluffing is that horrible?

[Lucid1]

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youre a nice stupid donkey - can i have your screen name pls?

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PM me your screenname first and I'll consider playing you.