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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
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[ QUOTE ] i think people like me who are trying to learn nl should play super rockish pf. [/ QUOTE ] That is correct, but only if you're playing FR. In 6-max the blinds come around so quickly that it forces you to get in there mix it up with lesser holdings. That's why expert players clean up at 6-max - their ability to play marginal hands well after the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, I don't think this is nearly as important in NL as in limit. Blinds are so small compared to stack sizes that defending your blinds becomes less important. Not that you can let people walk all over you, but you don't need to steal/defend with as much crap as you do in limit. Especially since you're out of position in the blinds. My preflop chart for 6 max: UTG: 22+; A9o+; A2s+; 54s+; 64s+; Kjo+; Qto+; Jto+; J8s+; Q9s+; K9s+. Playing all those hands will give you an UTG VPIP of 25.8%; mine's actually around 20%, because I'll only play the weaker hands about 1/2 the time, like when I haven't played a hand in a while, or I feel like I have excellent control over the table, or there's a couple of deep fish. If you're just starting NL, you might want to eliminate the unsuited broadway, weaker aces, and low connectors entirely at first. UTG+1: Pretty much the same; toss in a few suited kings, and play the marginal hands 70-80% of the time now. CO: Some high offsuit connectors, suited 3 gappers. Button: All aces, all suited kings, all broadway, all but the worst suited connectors, good offsuit connectors, decent kings and queens. Having position after your blind steal fails is pretty important. |
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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
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Blinds are so small compared to stack sizes that defending your blinds becomes less important. [/ QUOTE ] This is absolutly correct, particularly at FR. In a NL game, a contested pot can quickly grow to 100 BB or more. So why strive after 1 1/2BB and possibly end up OOP after the flop with a marginal holding? Wait, get a real hand and double up. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
noob question:
why are we raising all pairs in ep? is this to disguise the strength of our hand when we actually do have a real hand? what do we do in this scenario: raise 33 in utg+1, mp3 calls, rest fold. flop J84 obv cbet and shut down if called/raised? |
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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
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why are we raising all pairs in ep? [/ QUOTE ] This is an excelent question for a 6-max specialist to answer. 'Cause as a FR specialist I would never raise pairs TT and lower from EP. I do limp with them, though, if I think the table is passive. I also do it to disguise my hand, 'cause I like to limp with AA & KK from EP if I belive I will get a raise from a deep stack. Then I re-pop. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] But if you're not sure you'll get a raise behind, then limping from EP with AA & KK is a gross mistake. |
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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
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[ QUOTE ] why are we raising all pairs in ep? [/ QUOTE ] This is an excelent question for a 6-max specialist to answer. 'Cause as a FR specialist I would never raise pairs TT and lower from EP. I do limp with them, though, if I think the table is passive. I also do it to disguise my hand, 'cause I like to limp with AA & KK from EP if I belive I will get a raise from a deep stack. Then I re-pop. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] do you do this with lower pairs also? what if there is a super LAG to your left (but can fold to reraises (i.e. not a complete moron))? |
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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
Yes, I tend to limp all small pairs from EP, but that's because small pairs OOP are super-easy to play.
If you get raised pre-flop from someone who is a short stack, then you fold. If you don't hit your set, then you check-fold the flop. Having a super LAG on your left sucks, since he makes it unprofitable to play speculative hands. These guys are usually very aggro post-flop as well, meaning if you play a pot with them you have to start with a hand and expect it to hold up. Pot-size raises & re-raises also help, since the dirty little secret of the super-LAG is that he really doesn't want to commit all his chips to a showdown. |
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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
"why are we raising all pairs in ep?"
bc sets are really good at winning and generally disguised. |
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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
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noob question: why are we raising all pairs in ep? is this to disguise the strength of our hand when we actually do have a real hand? what do we do in this scenario: raise 33 in utg+1, mp3 calls, rest fold. flop J84 obv cbet and shut down if called/raised? [/ QUOTE ] Part of it is to diguise the strength of our hand, part of it is because its easier to stack someone in a raised pot when you flop your set. |
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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
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noob question: why are we raising all pairs in ep? is this to disguise the strength of our hand when we actually do have a real hand? what do we do in this scenario: raise 33 in utg+1, mp3 calls, rest fold. flop J84 obv cbet and shut down if called/raised? [/ QUOTE ] yup obvi cbet HU no matter what on any board, I always shutdown after at NL50 and NL100 without some read/ board texture reason not to even 3 way I always cbet the one time I havent was a mono board Q98 vs two total idiots who called a ton postflop where i had 33 not of the suit, and maybe I should have even then (I dont think so tho) the reason we raise all pairs in six max is pretty simple the two best reasons Ive heard are 1) flopping a set or monster in an unraised pot is basically a crap pot, u cant play for stacks when u want to whereas when u raise it people get more attached to the pot and do stupider things including bluffing more. Plus sets are the hands u want, as laak says often no set no bet in deep NL games so we want the pot large when we hit cuz thats when u feel great about gettin it all in and its easier to do by the turn/river when ur flop and turn bets arent wicked miniscule potting it. and 2) u win on the Cbet so often HU or 3 ways its all good and easily profitable to raise all pairs even utg. |
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Re: Can we just get preflop out of the way? part I
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Having position after your blind steal fails is pretty important. [/ QUOTE ] The real question is - is blind stealing really that important? Are we playing for stacks or bets? EDIT - already answered [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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