KK on Axx board vs tag oop

klay · #1 10-09-2007, 05:28 PM

PartyPoker Hold'em (6 handed) HandRecorder

Stacks & Stats
BU ($851.60) (20/17/1.56/25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
1 folds, Hero raises to $24, 1 folds, BU raises to $76, 2 folds, Hero raises to $206, BU calls $130.

Flop: ($421) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BU checks.

Turn: ($421) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BU checks.

River: ($421) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $215, Hero ???

Final Pot: $851.

i 3bettet him a lot in the last hands . and he saw me one time 4betting/calling with A8s.

so how to play on flop/turn / river

FireStorm · #2 10-09-2007, 05:55 PM

I took one look at the thread title and almost puked, not an easy spot to be in. As far as the actual hand, flop looks OK, turn I'm not sure, river looks like a call getting 3-1.

JrJordan · #3 10-09-2007, 06:15 PM

This is a call on the river. AK and AQ are both value betting the turn more often than not after checking flop. He could be value betting a lower Ax on the river, but you have to discount that he's calling a preflop 4bet with AT/AJ with these stacks.

Suwalski · #4 10-09-2007, 06:15 PM

At first i was like wtf call river. But what is this guy really calling a 4bet with that you beat on the river?

I mean Jacks would probably fold preflop, and if not, he wouldn't make such a retarded pussy bet on river that people would consider calling with KK.

AK and AQ seems pretty unlikely since they would often just shove preflop, and it would be pretty weird for them to both check flop and turn. But i do believe that AK and AQ is more likely than JJ.

QQ makes more sense, scared on the flop, making expert slowplay on turn, and then a sucker bet on river.

AA is pretty much the same argument as QQ, though i think he will be more inclined to make expert slowplaycall preflop.

Then there's KK left, i don't think 3-1 is good enough to call hoping for a split.

I'd say fold river.

reup · #5 10-09-2007, 06:16 PM

with the history its a call imo since he checked the turn

JrJordan · #6 10-09-2007, 06:26 PM

No self respecting TAG is playing a 4bet pot preflop, then checking two streets and firing a half pot river with a set. He cannot have AA and QQ seems just as unlikely IMO.

lucksack · #7 10-09-2007, 08:16 PM

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with the history its a call imo since he checked the turn

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jj12 · #8 10-09-2007, 08:35 PM

super easy fold

Hattifnatt · #9 10-09-2007, 08:39 PM

I think its close but a fold even with these good odds. he is most probably checking behind with a hand like JJ and hands like KQs probably check as well and is not probable with pf action.

about the only hand he might value bet that you beat is the other kings and the bluffs are hands like JJ or TT turned into a bluff thinking he can get you off kings.

Btch_Im_Cuter · #10 10-10-2007, 01:38 AM

If your range here is {KK}, then, yeah, you might want to call it sometimes. But generally you shouldn't have turned your hand face up after two streets of action...