Two-pair but 2 opponents betting aggressively

[Buconero]

Hi,

This hand has been bugging me for the last 24 hours. I still can't decide if I was a calling station or just plain unlucky. Should I have have laid this down on the turn or river? Or is it not possible to get away from my hand?

Button is a 43/12/3, BB is a 37/22/3.5

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $463.50
UTG+1: $147
Hero: $199
Button: $64
SB: $133.50
BB: $347

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.5SB, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.75BB, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (13.75BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $19</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 21.45BB
<font color="#ffffff">BB showed 9c 9h</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Button mucks Kh As</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero mucks 9d Tc</font>

[Utah]

I would fold the turn. You are likely behind and you only have 4 outs.

[jstill]

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I would fold the turn. You are likely behind and you only have 2 outs if any.

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edit: i guess this wasnt a good answer. despite the stats i dont think i call two cold on the turn becuz even though button could play AJ or AQ this way i dont see BB doing this with QsJs or a pair of aces often enough to call. When we re behind its likely to AT A9 99 maybe TT from BB or best case scenario 33 or A3(which we have 4 outs against and not nearly the pot odds to call against anyways). All of these have us drawing dead or nearly dead and possibly needing to put in many more bets to get to showdown.

[Buconero]

Yes, having read this and thought about it I agree. I think I must play a lot more conservatively in 3-way pots than I have been doing.

[inferno]

please remove the results next time, I guess if it said villians had AK and AQ that the comments here would be really different than the onces now, personally I woudnt fold the turn (pot is big and you have outs, and maiby the best hand) but prolly fold the river, because I cant see BB 3betting the river with a weaker hand.

[inferno]

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Yes, having read this and thought about it I agree. I think I must play a lot more conservatively in 3-way pots than I have been doing.

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Wrong, in multiway big pots you need to play more loosely and go further with gutshots etc if the pot allows you. In small pots however you need to be conservative.

[TheGrinder]

After BB check raises the turn and makes it 3 bets it looks like you are drawing to 4 outs or dead against a set. Button cold called you and is raising the turn, it looks like a possible AT. Also BB could have called the pf raise with an A in his hand and now have 2 pair with AT,A9,A3. To me it looks like most of the time either BB or button or both have you beat and you have 0-4 outs. I would not cold call 2 bets on the turn.

[Buconero]

Thank you all for your replies, there's some good quality thinking here.

One further argument in favor of folding the turn that has subsequently occurred to me: When I call the 3-bet on the turn it does not close the betting as the Button could have 4-bet it. I guess this is the penalty for being out of position. Speaking of which...

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I don't like pf with this guy sitting on our left.

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Yes. I posted this same hand on StoxPoker and while Stox didn't comment on the post flop debacle he did say that T9o is too loose to open from the CO and indeed he finds JTo to be a money loser from the CO.

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please remove the results next time, I guess if it said villians had AK and AQ that the comments here would be really different than the onces now

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Agreed, I won't include the results next time.

[Gib]

If button is cold-calling you a bit I'd be abit more selective on your CO opens, I would dump this hand PF but if the blinds were tightish &amp; I thought button wouldn't cold-call me often than I think it is fine.

When someone c/3b me I'm usually thinking I'm in pretty bad shape. It's tough to fold but you're prolly against something better than just an Ace (as that's what BB prolly puts you on)