WPT Five Diamond - Trips w/ A Kicker, Monochrome Flop vs. Shaniac

Ian J · #1 10-31-2007, 12:19 AM

Fold river.

If you really think about it from Shane's perspective, what could you play like this that doesn't beat A9? I suppose he could limp some hand with a 9 in it and play this way, but I think it's way more likely he has, in order, a full house, the nut flush, some small flush.

Bond18 · #2 10-31-2007, 12:26 AM

I know we have TPTK on the flop and thats great and all, but Shane is firing into a bunch of players on a coordinated board, we're fairly deep, OOP, and with no redraw.

I basically just want to fold flop. Anyone else think so to?

Ian J · #3 10-31-2007, 12:35 AM

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I know we have TPTK on the flop and thats great and all, but Shane is firing into a bunch of players on a coordinated board, we're fairly deep, OOP, and with no redraw.

I basically just want to fold flop. Anyone else think so to?

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Yes.

fslexcduck · #4 10-31-2007, 05:53 AM

i just can't for the life of me imagine what would inspire you to check/raise this turn.

it changes nothing except giving you more outs against the hands he's usually value betting here.

MauriceSch · #5 10-31-2007, 06:46 AM

i fold the flop. If i had called flop, i would also only call turn. Raising doesn't accomplish useful stuff imo. As played, Crycall river i guess.

Bond18 · #6 10-31-2007, 07:36 AM

Oh also,

Shaniac calls absolutely zero worse hands in his range on the turn, so calling the river shove is a spew. It also makes me think the turn CR is quite bad since it's turned your hand with a ton of SD value into a bluff.

Clayton · #7 10-31-2007, 09:42 AM

this is exactly the same as the psyduck v. zeejustin hand and a common leak i am seeing.

namely, the misunderstanding of the value of a hand versus the relative value of a hand with handreading.

i dont understand how, with simple handreading, one can see that turn OOP versus shaniac and think "GIN!" and aim to checkraise, when in reality there are very few hands we are valuestacking shane with (9x) and a lot of random hands like one pair one heart which either check behind on the turn or fire with the intentions of a free showdown (ie not calling turn cr).

adanthar · #8 10-31-2007, 11:50 AM

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I basically just want to fold flop. Anyone else think so to?

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I would snap fold online but this card checking thing would often have me thinking 'big heart' enough to peel here. Leak? (edit: this was written before reading the last post, heh)

ChipRick · #9 11-01-2007, 01:45 AM

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I know we have TPTK on the flop and thats great and all, but Shane is firing into a bunch of players on a coordinated board, we're fairly deep, OOP, and with no redraw.

I basically just want to fold flop. Anyone else think so to?

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i totally agree with this assesment